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Posted on December 7 at 5:33 p.m.
DrDan: Your post is simply off. What's with this "Let's have some humanity and compassion for the victim?"
The bit I hear about "let's pray for the victim" misses the point, although it's a nice sentiment. The bottom line is that the victim is being tended to by a competant medical staff, whether she recovers is up to them, her inherant physical condition, and the rest is up to God. The uncomfortable fact that you, Herschel, and some other won't address is that we live in a culture that promotes the behavior that landed this woman in the hospital yet our culture says that if you serve alcohol to people that you know (unliess you are detached from reality) are coming to your party for the purpose of gettng buzzed/drunk and you know these people are going to be driving, that it's OK. More ironically, Lois Capps and her husband, the late Walter Capps were hit and badly hurt by a drunk driver. Someone even told me that it's possible the injuries Mr. Capps suffered may have caused his premature death.
If a child is sexually abused by a family member who the other family members knew had a history of abusing children and they leave one of the kids alone with that person, is that person the only one who bears guilt when he/she abuses the child? We say that the Catholic Church hierarchy is at fault for allowing priest to remain in their parishes even after they were a knows danger to kids, yet somehow even though we know that if people who drink and drive are a danger, we still encourage them to drive to bars, get loaded, and drive home, and then say that we have no moral respnsibility when that person runs into somebody.
The "this isn't the time or place" argument is a cop out. This IS especially the time and place to discuss this because the "let's pray and send our best thoughts" does nothing to address the cause of this women's plight, and clearly many, many people still don't get the basic fact that we live in a society where people think it's ok to drink and drive.
Why is it SO difficult to go to a party, have a great time, and not have to drink alcohol AND drive? What part of "Don't drink and drive" don't people get? The message has been around long enough.
On Lois Capps Representative Arrested for DUI Hit-and-Run
Posted on December 6 at 10:27 p.m.
Blackpoodles: If you knew what you were talking about--and if you read my post--you would know that I am not calling for--to use your word "prohibition". If you have read my posts over time you would also know that I am anti-prohibition.
What is happening is that I am hitting a nerve among people who are self-centered and are so consumed with a sense of entitlement that they feel it is ok to drink and drive, and pretend that when they have parties where people are drinking that those who are drinking do not pose a danger when they get behind the wheel.
Are people REALLY that dumb that they don't know their guests are getting impaired to the point where they don't drive?...I don't think so. I think it's the same mentality of "I was just acting under orders" or "Everyone else is doing it so why can't I?" Yes, I will go out on a limb and violate "Godwins Law" by saying this is a tiny microcosm of the Nuremburg Trials. The defendents kept pleading "not guilty" because they were not the actual people pulling the triggers or sending people to the gas chambers, but they certainly set the stage to do so. We all are guilty of this to some extent, and life is a learning curve of realizing this, and not doing it.
It's easy to put ALL the blame on the driver, but when we have a culture where people have parties where they know people will be getting plastered, they too are morally resposible if they know people will be drinking and driving, and as I've pointed out many times before, (but I guess I have to keep pointing it out because people don't get the message) you don't have to be LEGALLY drunk or visibly drunk to be unsafe to drive.
The only way to avoid these unpleasent things, and if you REALLY care about this young women who is in the hospital and might die, and quit making excuses and face the fact that not drinking and driving is the only way to avoid this, and if you are serving the drinks to people who you know are driving home,.you are complicit in this womans plight.
Yes, I WILL get on my "high horse" and speak out when the self-serving hedonistic behavior of immature, selfish people puts people in the hospital. If you want to drink and drive, do it on your own private road, but don't make the decision for others. I'm sure this woman who got hit didn't sign up for this. I feel no shame for calling a spade a spade, you should feel shame for contributing to the mindset of the "I know my limits" booze culture. Isn't that what ALL drunk drivers think before they get behind the wheel and maim/kill people? Are people morally dead, or after all that's been discussed about drinking and driving, are they just foolish? Yea I'm angry, and anyone who isn't angry about this obviously doesn't care.
Merry Christmas to this woman and her family--if she survives and does so in one piece.
Posted on December 6 at 7:23 p.m.
No personal agendas here-unless warning people of the immorality of hurting others because you simply refuse to take a taxi after drinking.
Yea, I hope she recoveres too, but wouldn't it be nice of people didn't drink and drive? Tell me why people can't get it through their heads that drinking and driving is wrong?
Yeti: Unless The Independent had a specific poliicy stating that all who attend their alcohol events to not drive home, The Independent is just as guilty. That is why I won't serve alcohol at my house because if one of my guests hits someone, I'm morally guilty at the least.
All I can hope for is that a lesson can be learned from this, but given the level of denial I'm seeing, more innocents will suffer.
Posted on December 6 at 6:18 p.m.
Nice try Herschel, but the party ended at 9:30, not 8:30.
Posted on December 6 at 5:14 p.m.
To The Indpendent: How do you feel now? Are you proud your alcohol-pushing culture has landed an innocent person in critical condition? Are you still going to be a shill for the booze industry?...or will you take this as an opportunity to reflect on how your actions contributed to the pain inflicted upon this woman and all around her?
Some of us have been talking about this on these blogs for years, and we get laughed at for doing so. God forbid should any of the alcoholics ever have to admit to their condition and take a cab.
Posted on December 6 at 6:53 a.m.
I heard what sounded like a rocket launch at about 11:20. I was in Santa Barbara. Didn't see anything though.
On Rocket Launch Scheduled for Thursday Night
Posted on December 6 at 5:27 a.m.
Foo: You miss the point. Let me illustrate: Remember when you were a kid and you would play musical chairs and one by one people were eliminated? Another example is sports: Only certain people will rise to the top. If you want a capitalist society (and yes, I'm a capitalist) some will surpass others. With that in mind, it is incumbent on those who have been blessed with the ability to succeed to recognize their God-given abilities as a gift, and while by no means should they feel guilty for their success, realize that unless there is some safety net for those less fortunate, the society will not function.
Once again do the math: How do working-class people make it in this area? Oh and by the way, is the "you snooze you lose" (at least you didn't spell it "loose"--as many people do) directed at all those who had the audacity to be born too late to be able to buy in here when it was affordable?
Once again, someone's got to bus the tables and clean the toilets, but hey, what's a cool $300,000? I'll save my nickles and land a beach condo tomorrow.
On Homeless Shelter Numbers Up
Posted on December 5 at 9:23 p.m.
Dan: I've heard of "Godwin's Law" but I guess you're invoking "Goodwin's Law".
The issue that concerns me is that so many people need to be on food stamps and are homeless. While I side with you on opposing the Darwinistic "let-them-eat-cake" approach, and take the liberal side on the homeless issue, I'd rather that the problem be excised from its depths as opposed to merely throwing money at homeless shelters, which I agree we must do in the meantime since one night out in the cold is one night too many.
There is no getting around it, when the economy of a place is so twisted that even DINKS (Double Income No Kids) couples cannot afford to buy a house, those running the place need to realize that something is fundamentally wrong. Unless they are willing to subsidize housing, these elliptical conversations will take place.
To Foo: Wouldn't you rather see the problem solved at its root, as opposed to echoing the line "If they don't like it, tell them to move to Bakersfield"? After all, this may be a precursor to what happens all over the country, and such instability WILL destroy any hope of socio-economic stability.
Posted on December 5 at 7:52 p.m.
"California Latino Legislative Caucus"="us against them". So much for living together as brothers. Divisive much?...y'all do the math.
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Posted on December 5 at 2:41 p.m.
Well Foo, I'll leave it to you to figure out how S.B. is going to afford to pay all the losers (sarcastic irony intended) who can't fit into your vision of economic Darwinism enough money to live in S.B. After all, someone has to clean the toilets, work at the gas stations, etc.
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