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Posted on December 12 at 2:25 p.m.
1-I see a common theme among the supporters of the original article which is: U.S. is benefitting from supporting Israel. You can talk about MIGs, intelligence: but they are all weak. Is there benefit to US by supporting Israel? Yes. Is the benefit worth it? Absolutely not. Comments (by pmf) like 3 out 4 U.S. supporters do not always vote with US are ridiculous. Since when supporting means you agree 100% with the other person? Which points more to the problem at hand which is U.S. has (almost) always vetoed any U.N. resolution against Israel. U.N. stands for United Nations. Means representation of all of the countries in the world. This has to be wrong as nobody; even Ms. Betty can state that all of the nations in the world are (almost) always wrong. Pmf, your assertion that Israel has helped U.S. military tech as a justification for U.S. aid has more holes than Swiss cheese. BTW, I like all kinds of cheeses.
2-Dansome1, you state Israel does not oppress Palestinians because of their own victimizations in the past. OK. Then you say Israel used to let Palestinians have water, electricity, jobs: Fact is Israel took land that was occupied (not vacant) by terrorizing the Palestinian villages. Fact is that today Israel releases a few hundred Palestinian prisoners while arresting a few thousand. Fact is that each Palestinian gets a small fraction of the water that an Israeli gets. Fact is that many many things that Israel does are against basic human rights and condoned by many many nations.
3-Billclausen, you should re-read before commenting. I did not state Israel is responsible for suicide : and rather Israel's actions help the problem. As for Al Q, they leverage the one-sided (wrong) U.S. support of Israel to achieve their demonic goals. I do not support any human being or organization killing another whether it is through killing self or through tanks and jets and missiles. However I do make distinction between those with superior power (Israel in ME) who use their power to impose their will to create what has been referred to as Apartheid with no regards with human rights. Where did I hear this analogy? On LinkTV talking about the concept discussed with Archbishop Desmond Tutu.
4-Amico, Radical Islam along with many other reasons is largely empowered because of lack of proper dialogue and support between U.S. and Moslem nations and the U.S. unequivocal support of what Israel does.
5-For Ms. Betty, well I am not going to comment because of her level of logic and knowledge. She should keep reading diverse viewpoints and keep on learning as we all do.
6-Sb2ny, I appreciate your re-reading of my original note and I accept your apology.
I like the people who are solution-minded and can and do at least try to see it from the other side's point of view especially if they are on the side of power. BTW, what do you folks think about the following sources? www.linktv.org, www.democracynow.org, www.ifamericansknew.org?
On Teach-In On Israel
Posted on November 20 at 10:56 a.m.
Part 2- Dear SBknowitall, interesting name! I do not disagree with your point about Palestinians being used (abused) by leaders of the more powerful Arab countries. Unfortunately, that is going on around the world that is leaders taking advantage of situations for their own agenda. I totally disagree with your statement that Israel has given up significant amounts of land and resources. Latest of any report is that Israel is still occupying land that does not belong to it (Good counter site to your point of view is www.ifamericansknew.org and by seeing that site and others people can decide what is fair and what is not. Last comment for you is about your Target and Costco example. The answer to the question you posed is obvious. How about you answer this question: What if you wake up and see there are tanks and fully armored vehicles in your neighborhood, F-16s are overhead and shooting missiles and your neighbors are dead... What kind of reprisal would you look for especially when all you have are some rocks and guns? I agree with your last paragraph.
As for Mr. Melnik and millboy, to call my post as a hate-filled diatribe, I guess that is your level of tolerance for someone who does not see it your way. I can see your discomfort with the third post though. My comments were not based on ignorance and rather through interacting with all factions (including people with your point of view) from all over the world so do not simply say it is ignorance as it does not go far.
I apologize if anyone expects me to continually post here as I will not be able to and hope that all readers hopefully get a better perspective of what the facts are despite the meeting and the report on the meeting which was very one-sided and therefore wrong.
Part 1 - First, I am not surprised by the comments made by the organizers and some of the participants as your comments fit your agenda which was not to educate and rather have a get together of those with same mentality.
Dear Amico, I am not misinformed (at least not as much as you believe). You missed a very important point of my note which was Israel and her supporters continually portraying the Jewish state as a victim when relatively speaking they are not. You are correct that by square mileage Israel is a very small state compared with her Arab neighbors but let's look at military (which is a much more important factor if there are any conflicts I do not recall at any time size of a country resulting in the outcome of a war), Israel has nuclear weapons (lots of them according to some counts up to 200) and her Arab neighbors have none (and I am glad they do not and hope Israel didn't either). As for 1948 and stating that Palestinians were attempting to ethnically cleansing the Jews in Palestine, well all valid historical documentation points to the fact that the state of Israel did not exist until 1948 and then it was established by terrorizing the villages where Palestinians (Muslim and Christian alike) lived, pushing them out of their homes and taking over those villages for themselves. Now don't get me wrong I am not suggesting that this was a unique occurrence and nobody else has done so (everyone should know if they do not that American Indians had similar faith and so many others in the past) and rather I am correcting your statement. Am I biased? No. Are you biased? No. You talk based on your education and leanings and I do the same and believe me I have traveled the world and talked with people from many different countries and cultures and yes I have Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Zoroastrian, Buddhist and atheist friends (and I respect all of them) because I believe you only find the facts when you talk to everyone and hear all points of views and the facts are always somewhere between the diverse viewpoints. What I do not tolerate is hate, bigotry, hypocrisy: BTW your English is just fine, take care.
Posted on November 19 at 1:29 p.m.
Israel is the most powerful nation in the region in the history of mankind and is continually portrayed as a victim and how the rest of us must get educated to learn that Israel is a victim. No doubt that the Jewish people were victimized throughout the history and the worst was by the Germany Nazis but so were many other people/religions including the Armenians which our government has problem recognizing. Also, I do not see (thankfully) Armenians victimizing others, as Israelis do to Palestinians, because Armenians were victimized in the past. Please stop showing Israel as a victim. The solution to the problem in the middle-east is co-existence. That means Israel should exist, Palestine should exist and so should others. Also Israel should stop helping the brainwashing of the Palestinian children (as Rabbi Mitch Goldstein states) through brutalizing the Palestinians, imprisoning these children's siblings, and imposing the inhumane conditions that Israel forces these communities to live under.