Police Arrest Six for De la Vina Murder

If found guilty, they should HANG in public. Maybe De La Guerra plaza. For everyone to see - including their own families. THEN and ONLY THEN will this tyrannical violence and its inevitable consequences likely begin to decline.

If only it would be done the way livingsb defines. These are parasites that use the infamous "I've had it hard so I'm entitled to harm those around me" defense. It'll be curious to see who defends them & what defense they'll use on their behalf.
Said it before, will say it again, these are domestic terrorists that have negated their contract w/ society & need to be "put to sleep" by all means. After all, we euthanize rabid or sick animals right? But unlike a sick or rabid animal, these "people" had choices & obviously made all the wrong 1's every step of the way.
Hell has a place ready for these 6. May God bless the soul of Baledmar Leal as well as bring peace to his family & friends :) henry

Thank you Henry. It's good to know that I'm not alone in my way of thinking.

Read the second paragraph of the following link to the first article about this story where it said "Police said the incident is not gang related" and also read the fourth comment where the person states there is less violence overall according to what he is reading. What I draw from all of this is that the forces in S.B. simply don't want to admit that it *does* have a worsening gang problem. With all due respect to the blogger cited, I think he is mistaken. Here is the link:
http://www.independent.com/news/2009/feb...

http://santababylonexposed.blogspot.com/...

"If found guilty, they should HANG in public. Maybe De La Guerra plaza. For everyone to see - including their own families. THEN and ONLY THEN will this tyrannical violence and its inevitable consequences likely begin to decline." -livingsb-

You know perfectly well that this will not happen is Santa Barbara. The hassle of obtaining a permit for this and the fees that go along with it would make it not worth it.

I meant to say "will not happen *in* Santa Barbara"

I'm losing count of how many gang-related stabbings (has there been any other kind?) have occurred here in SB over the past year - seems like at least 1 a month!

The "hard life" and "victim of a white male society" defenses are utter bullsh** at this point - although you know that is the first thing people will cry as they try to somehow excuse these murderous, cowardly, animals' actions. I am sick of watching my hometown turn into some kind of gangland paradise - it is time to take action.

Maybe it's time to step up the deterrence in our sentencing laws. Why not make all gang-related killings a capital offense? These idiots consider prison terms some kind of macho honor and the threat of a few years in prison almost encourages their actions. Now, if the consequence was a strictly enforced death penalty, maybe, just maybe, these animals might stop and think about the potential consequences before they start their stabbing sprees.

Or just raise the cost of knives.

Either way, we can't just sit idly by and watch this situation escalate any further - remember Charles Bronson in Death Wish...?

I agree that something has to be done to put an end to this gang violence before it escalates to guns, and we have small children and other innocents caught in the crossfire. The State of California continually cuts programs to help fund our local agency's efforts in curbing this violence. There are many programs out there aimed at getting to these kids before they are on probation with gang terms and conditions, however without proper funding, they can only help so many and they usually dont get referred until after they have been arrested.
Furthermore our local law enforcement seems inept at doing anything (the police are too busy catching people driving through crosswalks in Goleta or catching speeders on De la Vina) and even the witnesses to assualts aren't calling the police...is it me or does this appear to me a trifecta of apathy?

Murder is defined in many cultures, as the killing of another human being with intent or malice aforethought.

This hatred some of you are spewing comes from the exact same source as what brings a person to do harm to another. You hearts and minds are the same. The only difference is you have not yet harmed anyone.

Be angry, be outraged but damn it, be good and be helpful! From your reaction I would say that you are not the kind of people I would want making decisions for this community.

What I see in your words is the same cold calculations that goes through the mind of a person about to commit premeditated murder.
1. You have established that someone deserves die.
2. You have singled out someone or some people based on your own belief or logic.
3. Some of you even know where it should be done.

People if you cant let go of your hatred go back to whatever television show you get your knowlege and reasoning from and stay there.

One of you used the word "tyrannical". Perhaps everyone should use the internet and look up tyrannical justice systems in human history. Because that is exactly what you are proposing.

I can honestly say I am more dissapointed and concerned by my fellow citizens then I am in the six who are under arrest.

Everyone makes poor choices. The six arrested, you, me, everyone. "Blood for Blood" is only good when it is the name of a band or movie, and usually only a "B" movie.

Let us all watch this case, get the facts and make good decisions regarding our community. Oh and if you raise the cost of knives people will use sharp sticks.

Sorry for the ranting, Just my opinion.
JerrySB

Good observations sdrake....

Sacjon:"these murderous, cowardly, animals"
Dude, you've just wronged animals. Even animals have more decency than these cancerous growths on the bowels of society could EVER hope to posses.
Jhern, have you ever had a friend be the victim of random murderous criminal activity? W/ all due respect to your opinion, my guess, based on some of your comments, is no. If you did, your tune would definately be of a different note.
I lost my best friend Brian & his girlfriend Belinda who was the sister of another good friend @ age 13 when I lived in Florida to a thieving, murdering rapist. Not a pretty sight the outcome of the rampage this cretin commited.
Definately shaped my views, I guess experience is everything & until you've been there you won't really know :) henry

I said this before, we need to reset to default.

In the past this was not a major issue, but as sajcon points out we're losing count of how many stabbing are taking place in S.B.

What all the anointed experts need to do is convene and examine *every* factor that goes into this; overcrowding, lack of education (and *why* they're less educated) the gap between the rich and poor, and yes (take a deep breath) our open border/exploitation of cheap labor/enabling of Mexico's corrupt governemt policy.

Contrary to what some bloggers say, there *is* a connection between the open border and the killings that take place. Why do I say this?...because when you take a neighborhood where it is already crowded and overpriced, and cram endlessly more and more people into that neighborhood thanks to the *unlimited* numbers of people coming here, the rats-in-the-cage feeling of desperation and anxiety grows. We can sit around and listen to sociologists endlessly natter about economic injustice and other issues, but human nature is such that we don't do well in overcrowded conditions, and as previously stated, the ridiculously high price of living in Santa Barbara County adds to this.

The other unspoken problem is our P.C. approach to how we treat Latinos/Hispanic/Mexicans/whatever term you want to use. When a kid from this demographic comes to the U.S. not speaking English, and not only learns the language but graduated with honors and goes onto college, our tendency is to think of it as a pleasant anomaly; when an Asian kid does the same, we treat it as par for the course, in fact, if an Asian kid doesn't end up as some sort of "professional", we are surprised. This ingrained American cultural attitude crosses the liberal/conservative gamut, and the kids to whom it is applies know this, so of course it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

All the punitive measures advocated by the Right, and the calls to spend money for social programs on the Left have failed to address this issue because our P.C. approach to life precludes the asking of the hardball questions about culture (on both sides of the border) and economic policy (also on both sides of the border) and until we do, we can look forward to a further restriction of our rights imposed both by government and by gangs, as well as increasing racial tensions.

So far, I see no serious effort given to asking the important question nor have I seen an admission by any of our so called "leaders" of how badly our society has screwed itself up.

So for those who say "offer solutions", this is my effort to try to help solve this problem. Once again, what were we doing differently as a society before the social ills we complain about became mainstream?...THAT is our homework assignment.

Jhern -

You are kidding, right? You didn't honestly mean to imply that, because we express anger about a brutal murder, we are no different from the murderers themselves - did you?

And are you seriously more "disappointed and concerned" about your fellow citizens' reactions to a violent murder on the streets of our hometown than you are about the criminals that stabbed the young man over and over again until his life ended? I mean really? What did you do when you heard the news - bake the murderers a cake?

Please tell me that was a typo in your post because, if you honestly are more upset by our outrage and frustration than you are upset about the people that caused another human being's violent and traumatic death, then kindly do us the favor of not referring to us as your "fellow citizens."

In our world, the act of killing a person is not socially acceptable - that is why we do not usually respond favorably to it. Sorry if our written opinions distressed or frightened you or those six poor individuals - I feel just awful about that.

"Everyone makes poor choices." Yes, they do. I bought generic soda the other day instead of brand name and it tasted horrible. Some people choose to listen to smooth jazz. Others compare citizens' expressions of outrage in response to a murder to the acts of the murderers themselves. Poor choices indeed. Too bad killing someone can't really be reversed or fixed like other "poor choices." Then again, maybe that is why most people get somewhat peeved when it happens - you think?

And finally, as far as the kind of people you want making decisions for this community - why don't you elect the six murderers? After all, us bloodthirsty, vicious townsfolk are far more dangerous.

WOW!

"NOT GANG RELATED"?
Yet all parties involved are Gang Members. I can come to an easy deduction that the killing was and is a Gang Related Incident but the Police (under the guildance of the Mayor and City Council) are not able to express the truth for fear it would make Santa Barbara a Gang Base of Operations; hmmmmm.
Let us continue to sigh relief that the only gang bangers are in L.A. and NOT in Santa Barbara, this was just another random killing. Random killing....... Better all lock your doors and shutter your windows, the "Random Killers" are coming to get you..........