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Posted on December 16 at 10:08 a.m.
Dr. Dan, Perhaps you missed reading my earlier reply to you yesterday so let me repeat, any apology cannot be one-sided. To be fair and even-handed, it should be done jointly between Turkey and Armenia with both sides apologizing to each other for past wrongs (there were plenty on each side) as well as agreeing to relinquish any claims on each other's territory.
Are you aware that to this day Armenia still makes claims on parts of the internationally recognized sovereign territory of the Republic of Turkey? If you wish to read about this from an independent source that is neither Armenian nor Turkish, I would refer you to the following article whose link I am providing below. The "EuroDialogueXXI" - International Internet-portal is a free independent network confederation of individual and cooperative partners of the OSCE, CIS and EU member-states:
On Not Genocide
Posted on December 15 at 1:37 p.m.
Dr. Dan, these things cannot be one-sided. It should be done jointly between Turkey and Armenia with both sides apologizing to each other for past wrongs (and there were plenty on each side) as well as agreeing to relinquish any claims on each other's territory.
To carry the thought one step further, the same principle might hold true in resolving the current impasse between Turkey and Israel. They should both apologize to each other simultaneously; Turkey to Israel for the deaths of 768 innocent Jewish refugees aboard the disabled freighter SS Struma in 1942, and Israel to Turkey for the nine Turks killed during their 2010 assault on the Gaza Aid flotilla.
Finally, Turkish entry into the EU is also ancient history. Their economy is much better off than the EU and according to all published polls the majority of Turks don't want to join the EU any longer. Which in my opinion by the way is a loss to us in the West; we can't rightly criticise Erdogan for looking Eastward for economic opportunities using his religious bona fides when the Europeans have cold shouldered that country's membership for over a quarter century. A lost opportunity for Europe to extend its Western influence and to open new markets.
Posted on December 15 at 12:21 p.m.
The comments to this informative article are almost as enlightening as the article itself.
For example reader Ken_Volok opines: "The only people that "debate" this are the people who's ancestors committed the genocide."
So by that rationale, the author of this article Kathy Allen, Professor Bernard Lewis of Princeton University, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton are all descendants of genocide perpetrators.
Wow, this must be the same mentality (if one can call it that) that supports making any opposition to a certain historical point of view a crime in France. Sorry pal, in this country we believe in freedom of speech.
Also, since both the Turks and Armenians murdered each other during those events a century ago, why is it only the Turks that get accused of committing genocide and not the Armenians? Is it because the rebelling Armenians lost and got their butts handed to them? Unlike Hitler, where is the proof that the Ottoman Sultan ordered the extermination of all his Armenian subjects which apparently had lived for centuries under that empire without being killed, instead of ordering the deportation only of those Armenians who were siding with the Russians against the Turks.
And if such proof exists, why has Armenia not taken it to the International Court of Justice as stated in the article?
Both sides need to get over events that happened nearly a century, apologize to each other and get on with their lives.