Saltwater in My Hair
Sea Stories
Sunday, February 5, 2012
My grandfather had the deepest blue eyes, the colors of the sea, and he taught me the blessings of a life with the sea. His Irish smile reflected stories of a lifetime with the ocean. His seascape paintings were hung in his apartment in downtown Long Beach. His self-portrait, with his blue eyes, represented a different type of geography to my childhood eyes. I thought of his deep blue loneliness, alone in the city, with the paintings of the sea surrounding him as he slept.
During the war, my grandfather was a captain of an all black American crew in the South Pacific fleet. Taking us on a journey across the Pacific Ocean, he told stories of his relationships with the sea and with the crew at war, encounters, battles, an ocean caught in war’s net. Floating soldiers in the midst of ocean creatures; mixing forms of life lost after the sinking of a vessel.
Michael McGinnis
Now, I think about the dreams he must have had of an abundant ocean, swarms of marine life, whirlpools of oceanic gyre. He was on a small boat lying in his bed, surrounded by an ocean of a city’s lights, with his loose change on the wood floor. After he died, I remember crawling on all fours to collect the dusty change that he left behind.
When I was seven, he told me a story of a great black sea bass that he hooked off Long Beach. My father as a child wrapped his arms around his father, as the huge fish took the bait. Grabbing hold of my grandfather, my father was his anchor, holding him down against the pull of the great fish, as my grandfather’s fishing pole bent over the boat’s rail. But the big eyes of the sea bass did not appear. The great fish could not be landed.
Now my brown-gray hair is dripping in the rain. My grandfather’s portrait I have become. On a boat offshore the Channel Islands, I am looking at Pine Mountain. A river meets the sea in colors: mountains, rivers, and sea, one ocean. In winter, the kissing rain covers me. The morning chorus of sea birds wakes me. The rhythm of my heart is reflected in the pulse of a winter’s swell, the explosion of finger reefs and the waves finishing their long journey to shore. The song of the sea is sound of running water along a creek’s bank as the rain falls. Salt water breath of each day with the sea I am happy. Blue ring on my finger, shadow I am. Blue ring lost at sea, sea in a rain dance.
We are blessed.
Breath of the sea dispels my fear. Break into a new dawn, golden rising sun, a new pattern of life. My pockets are full of shells found on a beach; I smile. I remember my childhood playground on the beach, childhood fingers in the sand. Peace in me, come be in me. Saltwater her, Pacific her. Comfort me, tumble and work me. Roll me over, saltwater spray, show me. Eyes are clouds. Ice, fire, sun in a Sanctuary.
How can I repay my debt to the sea? This debt is based on a memory of fishing from shore or on a boat, drifting along a shore’s current. Some fishers of our region are angry because I stood up for protecting the marine areas off our shore, and supported marine protected areas. They feel as if they have been robbed of their catch. But a good hunter knows when to stop fishing. When the big fish are gone, a good hunter knows that the few big fish remaining are worth protecting no less than the stories of our grandfathers are worth telling. A fish is not a fishery. A big fish embodies the life of a fisher’s story. Without these big fish, our stories along the waterfront are less meaningful and less significant.
So, I ask those who fish the sea to remember our stories. If you have lived along this coast as long as I have, and can remember your great-grandfather’s story of a line in the water, the type of bait used, the playfulness of otters and dolphins, the wonder of a child’s first sight of a school of fish, then we have a common history. No ocean of life is a mere commodity. A hunter’s story embraces what is held in common.
As the poet Gary Snyder notes, “We all live in accordance to an oceanic commons. [W]e need to make a world-scale ‘Natural Contract’ with the oceans, the air, the birds in the sky. The challenge is to bring the whole victimized world of the ‘common pool resource’ into the Mind of the Commons … [T]here is no choice but to call for the recovery of the commons, and this in a modern world which doesn’t quite realize what it has lost.”
The quest for a “recovery of the commons” requires a fundamental shift in values to primarily supporting the life-giving qualities of a living ocean planet, rather than the short-term values of maximizing financial return and resource use from the sea. Marine biodiversity protection is about not only protecting enough quality marine habitats, it’s about reducing the economic scale of resource use.
As I turn to the sea each day, I wish I could embrace her many fingered reefs. The cluster of life in pockets of swirling pools far offshore, the cobalt blue. There is a limestone graveyard for birds near the sea. For thousands of years, a whirlpool of bones. The sea is full of reckless kisses. Ash mind, volcanic verse. Sunflower speaks to bee pollen. Soul and thunder I am. I hung out in the shadows under Bishop pine forests of Santa Cruz Island, with the wind blowing the seeds of the pioneer, coyote brush, to escape the fennel of the canyon and to change a flat tire on the ridgeline road; felt the cold down into my bones; thought of 20 warbler species, 10 oak brothers, 4 manzanita; and the notions of endemism, Noah’s ark, and oceanic moat, became clear …
I am in the midst of an old row of father eucalyptus. Cutting them down. I followed a well-traveled path. In the smell of animals found my way home. Between the folds, a mountain moves. A bird drops, falls with the light, like the water’s fall from Mission Creek. Flowers weave colors, trees unfold, change. Butterflies are flying to rest in trees this time of year. They resemble the paths of whales, the crossing sun, a melody of a star. Footsteps in a canoe, we swim in a magic sea-spell. A hawk cries and flies, shaking rain drops.
What is it doing? It is doing happiness.
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Black Sea Bass were almost extinct before the ban gave them a chance. I was privileged last August for an E ticket ride, to have a couple of 250lbish juveniles come play with my camera lens.
howgreenwasmyvalley (anonymous profile)
February 5, 2012 at 9:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)
McGinnis's attempts to be "poetic," might have some heft if he knew what he was writing about. It must be terrible to pretend to be an expert on sea life without a shred of any real experience with it. Instead, he's become a random word generator...
Pagurus (anonymous profile)
February 6, 2012 at 9:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Dear Pagurus, clicking on his byline will take you to the columnist's bio as well as his previous columns. :D
Dr. McGinnis was Director of the Ocean and Coastal Policy Center and taught at the Environmental Studies Program at UCSB from 1995-2010. He is author of Bioregionalism (Routledge, 1999) and has published over 60 articles in peer-reviewed journals about biodiversity conservation. From 1993-2000, his research funded by three awards from the National Science Foundation focused on the role of values and science in the development of ecosystem-based planning. From 1999-2008, he was an advisor to federal agencies in the development of coastal marine ecosystem-based planning in California. In 2008, he was a Fulbright Scholar in Europe and conducted a study on coastal marine governance supported by the European Union. He is currently conducting a study of New Zealand’s coastal marine governance framework with support from the ministries of that country and Victoria University of Wellington (NZ). He is also completing two books on the subject of the importance of community in an age of climate change.
martha (Martha Sadler)
February 6, 2012 at 11:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Martha: I'm well aware of McGinnis's 'academic' credentials. Unfortunately, none of them pertain to actual work, or education, as a marine biologist which might have better equipped him for understanding the fisheries and ecosystems he comments on in these columns. I'm also aware that when McGinnis served on a Channel Islands advisory committee, purportedly representing UCSB (he wasn't), he was the only member to resigned in 'protest' of the consensus the committee arrived at. So much for his understanding of how 'communities' function.
It's easy to criticize fisheries managers, especially when their complicated work is further complicated by political interference, and it would be a much better service if McGinnis would focus on this aspect. After all, isn't that what a political science major is educated to do?
I have a suggestion: why don't you do a local poll among fishery professionals, academic and governmental, to ask how they regard McGinnis's literary contributions?
Pagurus (anonymous profile)
February 6, 2012 at 2:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
McGinnis was a member of the Marine Reserve Work Group. Pagurus, your incorrect response to Martha needs clarification: First, McGinnis was nominated and approved by members of the Channel Islands Sanctuary Advisory Council to represent local conservation organizations, and NOT UCSB, in the process over the designation of marine protected areas around the 6nm area of the National Marine Sanctuary. He did NOT represent scientists, academics, or represent the views or interests of UCSB. No person involved in the Reserve Process -- scientists, economists, stakeholders -- represented a university's position. There was no authority vested in this group. The authority that led to the designation of reserves was based on existing state and federal law, and a lengthy environmental review process where voices of diverse members of the region were heard.
Second, there was no "consensus" on the size or location or a map of the marine reserves by members or stakeholders in this process. There was only a consensus on 6 goals and a problem statement - this is clearly articulated in the record of the multiyear proceeding. Do you homework. There has been articles written on this process by fishery managers, scientists, policymakers, etc. and they all agree - no consensus on the science was ever reached.
Third, political science can include studies of the physical sciences. The line that you would like to draw between the disciplines is not as clear as you make it out to be. Science does not take place in a political vacuum. Values matter in the process. Those who study these types of planning efforts need to understand the complex relationship between science and politics, values and interests. It seems that McGinnis has a background in these types of studies. Indeed, in the area of environmental policy, people who study the social sciences often have to become very familiar with the biological sciences.
Finally, I don't see much critique from Dr. McGinnis of fisheries managers in the articles that he has written. What I do see is your continued anger and frustration over some of his points. That is fine, and it is your right to have an opinion, even though it may not be based in fact, as in your response to Martha.
momohonu (anonymous profile)
February 6, 2012 at 4:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
One last point, The Independent should live up the guidelines for posting comments. The guidelines state, "A few of the following types of comments are not welcome in comments, and may be pulled or blocked without warning or explanation:
- comments that include personal attacks on writers or other participants in these forums; and,
- comments that make obviously false or unsubstantiated allegations."
I think that Pagurus - Pagurus hirsutiusculus is a species of hermit crab, commonly called the hairy hermit crab - and his comments in several of the articles should be removed from the comments. In addition to the false and misleading statements noted above, his final note "McGinnis would focus on this aspect. After all, isn't that what a political science major is educated to do? I have a suggestion: why don't you do a local poll among fishery professionals, academic and governmental, to ask how they regard McGinnis's literary contributions?" seems to run up against the journalistic creed of independence. We don't need to create a black list for those who express themselves (via some type of poll, etc.) in ways that some may find uncomfortable or against the grain of contemporary discourse. Although I may disagree with McGinnis or find his writing style difficult - at first read - to understand, I appreciate his thoughtful prose and concern for our oceans. I don't appreciate an anonymous mud slinging comment (which is simply an act of cowardice) or rhetorical ploy that threatens the diversity of expression. Hey Pagurus, who are you? Why stand behind the hermit crab? At least McGinnis stands by his words.
momohonu (anonymous profile)
February 6, 2012 at 6:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Momohonu: I appreciate your responses (except for the part about expulsion from the right to comment - but that's ok) and clarification of some of my observations about McGinnis's columns in this paper. You seem to be very informed about the Advisory Council process, and I only have the say-so of a couple of former members of the Council about MVM's involvement in that process. And on that basis, I suppose I am biased. Your point about the need for "values" in the conversation around fisheries (or any exploitation) I also agree with, but not to the exclusion of science - and I don't recall MVM really ever examining the science (or the political processes which often warp it) behind fishery decisions.
It may be his writing style that, as you put it, is 'difficult,' that I may be responding to as much as anything. Obviously, I don't find it as thoughtful as you seem to. But I wonder whether those fishery managers who you cite as not complaining about MVM's columns read them - wouldn't you be interested in some form of collected response? I would.
Finally, I completely support the basis for McGinnis's writing and his concerns: the oceans and their species, whether fished or not, are in big trouble, and we DO need to change our ways. I just want to see a better (and honest) linking between values and scholarship.
And, having said this, I will shut up about it.
BTW, there are more than the hairy hermit crab among local species, and I was thinking more about the kid's book, Pagurus Pagoo - just because it one of my favorites.
Pagurus (anonymous profile)
February 7, 2012 at 8:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"Stakeholder" that is a funny word. We have been around for 236 years in California and I would hope our children are Stakeholders in the future of California. Scientists, Academics, Politicians, Lobbyists - I am just a lowly local that has been visiting the Islands since 1962 as my Father before me and have been actively diving the waters since 1968.
The major damage was done on the 1960's - 1980's if you look at what one could see in a single 1 hour dive compared to today which resembles a thermal nuclear detonation in most places. The species of marine life that have been wiped out boggles the the mind. That area extends from San Miguel to San Clemente Island.
What has changed since 1960, massive influx of urban dwellers from the East, the full effects of the late 1930's and 1940's water projects on land. Weather, I remember massive storms, 80-100 mph winds and 25 foot seas as a regular event, been in them as well. The last twenty years have seen a relatively calm weather pattern. The big Kelp die off.
Most of what has been done is a day late and a dollar short.
It's simple - OVER POPULATION and the failure of the California Fish and Game Commission during the 1960's-1980's to protect the marine habitat for the future.
Now what has been done by the National Parks Service on the Islands is a Crime, old Doc Stanton would roll over in his grave if he could see the Bureaucratic mess that has taken place on his beloved Island, same for that true gentleman Francis Gherini.
I find it laughable that you are arguing about if zones should be closed when nothing is left in the first place. Government Failed, what else is New. Over Population destroys absolutely, history tells us this, no need for years of meetings and road apples Piled Higher and Deeper.
California Government Failed and that fool Lagomarsinco thought bringing in the Feds would make things better, not hardly.
Maybe and that is a big maybe my children may see the wonders of my childhood in their twilight years but seriously doubt it, with protection Zones in place.
Los Angeles is now looking at using recycled waste water for drinking and if you start building desalination plants on the coast in mass, as been proposed, kiss the Ocean goodbye.
What you have is a text book case of Over Population of a Coastal Desert Environment, it is the big picture of Coastal California not just the Marine Waters.
McGinnis is just a Professional Bureaucrat and Paguras are you a Professional Lobbyist?
McGinnis speaks with a forked tongue considering the slaughtered animals on the Island's but is correct about the Ocean Waters.
I am just a lowly Californio that uses his own eyes to see the truth and my Stakeholders, children, will never enjoy the life I did.
howgreenwasmyvalley (anonymous profile)
February 7, 2012 at 10:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I sent McGinnis an email this morning, and he noted that he will no longer be contributing to The Independent, and he cited your past responses to his article as the primary reason. I for one enjoyed these essays in his column. I feel that is unfortunate. You have successfully contributed to the censureship of the type of values-based stories on behalf of our oceans that you note above is so important to our community, and to a healthy democracy. The reference to a "honest" depiction of these values is needed, and we've lost a forum for it in this weekly.
"In free countries, every man is entitled to express his opinions and every other man is entitled not to listen."
G. Norman Collie
momohonu (anonymous profile)
February 7, 2012 at 10:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Thanks howgreenwasmyfolly - we live in a world of bureaucrats, professionals, experts, farmers, fishers, and folks with your type of local knowledge ... The challenge today is not about returning to what was, but forging ahead for the future of our children to protect for them what remains. This was the theme of the past few months of articles in this column, even if McGinnis is a professional and works in a bureaucratic setting (as we all do). Whether you are a Chumash elder or newcomer, the challenge is a personal one as much as a collective one -- when do we take a stand against the injust treatment of others; take a stand together and work out our differences as diverse members of a society; and forge a future that embraces the values carried by the valley, coast, mountains, rivers, creeks and sea.
momohonu (anonymous profile)
February 7, 2012 at 11:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I guess if I would "take a stand together" that momo and mcginnis could agree with, if I did not believe that we (recreational anglers) have been the ones to bear the brunt of the closures.
Recreational anglers have a complete closure to rock fishing for 3 months, we have a limit to how deep we can fish all year, now a large section of the coast is closed, yet commercial fishing for rock fish is going on right now during the recreational closure!!
their are no limits to how deep commercial fishing can be done
Yet we are supposed to feel that we are a team? Momohonu? I would say not by any stretch of the imagination are we on the same team
How can we view this as being fair division of our resource?
dadof3 (anonymous profile)
February 7, 2012 at 11:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Good point dado. My response is to look behind the politics behind these types of decisions: NOAA Fisheries seems to be "captured" by commercial fishing interests (for evidence, check out who the members are on this country's regional councils). That is just one potential explanation. The continued loss of salmon is one example -- dams, irrigation systems, climate change, overfishing, habitat loss should be understood together as driving the extinction of salmon populations along the west coast. The loss of the blue fin tuna is another international example (the commercial industry is behind most international "efforts" to manage the diverse species). The management of fisheries has long been dominated by special interests organized as oligopolies that are very powerful across the world's ocean. Equitable allocation via various market-based strategies may be a more sustainable response (e.g., quota systems), but the US has yet to adopt these types of strategies for many recreational and commercial landed species. Perhaps if quota was extended to recreational uses we could begin to address the rockfish decline.... I remember McGinnis's story of the commercial squid fishing - a key indicator species of the ocean system. It is hard to believe that so much squid can be landed without a good scientific understanding of the biomass of the squid or more generally, the ecology of the squid. The reliance on "science" to resolve these types of inequities sounds great; but it is more a question of how to stop the industrialization of marine resource use, the level of local fish traded in global markets, and the challenge of gaining access to government to change the large scale commercial 'mining' of the ocean.
momohonu (anonymous profile)
February 7, 2012 at 12:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
momohonu,
I only wish that McGinnis had advocated for the relocation of the animals on the Islands, controlled by the NPS, or at least a significant number. His killing them sooner than later logic lost me. The whole NPS plan losses me.
The Catalina Island Conservancy roadmap is a much more palatable one. I see it as a win win for the animals and humans.
Unfortunately going forward is going to take generations to undo what has been done and I really doubt the Politicians will make the correct choices. As drinking water runs out, in the large cities, the mob mentality will take over and the de-salination plants will be built, no Politician will take a stand, the brine will reach out beyond the Islands unless they pump it to the deserts, which I bet against.
I like what McGinnis has to say, don't agree with all of it, but still enjoy it.
dadof3,
Your right , its politics.
Did you ever see the recreational rockfish hauls off Anacapa Island in the middle 1960's and 70's. If reasonable conservation had been in place then and common sense applied we would not be talking about it now. The CISCO Sportfishing boats ran 24/7 for years, the stocks were decimated as many other species.
http://articles.latimes.com/1991-05-2...
1991 not much left.
California Fish and Game Commission did not do its job at the time, plain and simple and we all pay the price.
howgreenwasmyvalley (anonymous profile)
February 7, 2012 at 1:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I don't see an article by McGinnis on the species on the northern Channel Islands (the landscape) that were removed and/or killed (feral pigs, goats, golden eagle, rats, etc). There is a reference to the Bishop Pine on Santa Cruz, however. These forests were being hammered by the feral goats on the north-eastern part of SC. It is a very sensitive and unique habitat for species. If there is one success story on the restoration of species it is the island fox. This was a complicated issue, and there are many (honest) values that played out. Killing life is a tragic choice to make - we should have compassion for the feral animals are killed, and the great golden eagle (that was preying on feral pigs and the island fox) that was removed to the high country of the mainland. I don't blame the NPS or TNC, since they have a federal policy that require habitat restoration for listed endangered species. Islands are so sensitive - the birds of Polynesia among other special places are sensitive to these introduced species. We may disagree on what is "introduced or non-native", but the majesty of the habitats on Santa Cruz Island, for instance, have benefitted from the removal of the goats and pigs. These are the types of challenges that we face today, with the loss of so much so quickly.
I have appreciate the opportunity to discuss these issues in this forum.
On your second point (howgreenwasmyvalley), you note the contribution of the recreational fishers to the loss of the once abundant rockfish populations associated with the island waters. This is described further by Dr. Milton Love at UCSB on an article on the impacts of large-scale recreational fishing of these species. We do need to consider the impact of all types of fishing on marine areas, the type of technologies they use to find and catch fish, etc. I for one like to loose a fish now and then even to Mr Seal.
momohonu (anonymous profile)
February 7, 2012 at 1:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I don't mind in the sense that I blame an animal when it gets it meal at my expense...all part of the experience
I very much mind when my children lose a lifestyle that was sustainable......where and when to fish,what method catches the species you are targeting....cycles of boom and bust...conservation, eating what you kill, all the things that I learned from many years and many trips, from more knowledgeable, long gone watermen who shared what they knew.
If you really cared.. you would lobby for equality as much as you did for the closures, but somehow I don't think either McM or yourself are sad about me or my kids lost connections to our heritage
dadof3 (anonymous profile)
February 7, 2012 at 2:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I can't speak for MVM, but my sense of equality includes the other animals. Losing your connection to cultural heritage goes hand in hand with losing the animals. I think that is what many of the articles in this column tried to communicate. It is a view that I share with MVM and other [clan] members of our great region. It is up to you to restore that heritage. Why rely on government officials, experts, or anyone else (outside of your community) to protect what you value? If you fear that you're losing it or that it is being taken away, than take a stand to protect it.
momohonu (anonymous profile)
February 7, 2012 at 2:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I said I'd shut up, but need to respond to MVM's alleged (by momo) 'resignation' as a columnist: I'm sorry to hear it. While I don't care for his writing style, thinking it over-wrought and labored, I think he could perform a greater service, with more effect, if he'd drop the flowery prose and turn up the honest and hard scholarship. He's a smart human, I think he has a good heart, and I'd like to see him keep at it. Life's a journey, and a little criticism shouldn't deter anyone. But I'll still keep the negative stuff to myself from now on.
Pagurus (anonymous profile)
February 7, 2012 at 4:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
dadof3,
You can only have Heritage when there is something left. Last September I made two 150' dives, not bad for an old fart, on some productive seamounts looking for game fish. The water was right, the temperature was right. One white AB at 115', nothing else, last time I saw a white was Santa Barbara Island in the early 1970's. The lack of fish species was eerie as we slowly circled up to the surface. We had to decompress for 30 minutes and just hanging off in the kelp, nothing but a few small undersized kelp bass.
I remember free diving in the 1960's in Little Scorpion Harbor for green and pink AB's in cutoff jeans, Lingcod, Cabazon Sea Bass, Sheephead, etc. were all found in abundance. They just don't exist anymore. Lobster and a lonesome Halibut are all I ever see on the bottom.
This summer I hope to get on Anacapa, the closed zone, and see if anything healthy is there, see if over 20 years of closure has improved the situation.
I would agree with you, commercial take needs to end also and should not be a special interest over recreation.
momohunu,
I think it was the article were McGinnis talked about the Bobcat hit by the car and he buried it. Probably my comments of how can you weep for the Bobcat but slaughter on the Island. I was mentored as a kid by my Fathers best friend, a Cherokee Horseman, who was also a Doctor of Veterinary Medicine. Again the Easterners are wrong, don't care how they rationalize it, there was a better way, one only has to look at Catalina Island to see it. Its a East vs West issue that will always be.
California should have never allowed those Islands to fall in Federal hands. The Hoover Dam, destruction of the Gulf of California, the water projects nothing has ever come to California with any merit from the East. I invite you to take a tour of Catalina Island Conservancy and see how well it works, go in the summer and see the thousands of kids getting an education and experience in nature.
Those kids are the future.
Northern Islands are just a fiefdom of competing bureaucracies sucking up Tax Dollars with really no benefit. I bet a half a billion dollars have gone down the drain there.
Santa Rosa, the Elk and Mule Deer should have stayed, thinned but stayed and during the winter closed for two weeks each year for herd control, its that simple.
howgreenwasmyvalley (anonymous profile)
February 7, 2012 at 4:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow telling me to stand up and be counted???
How did that work for me at the mlpa meetings down at the bathhouse?? bus loads of children from LA paid by who?
Stand and protect it!! That was a peach Momo
dadof3 (anonymous profile)
February 7, 2012 at 4:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
dadof3 - ah yes a sea of red and blue shirts, first in Long Beach in 2001 than spreading northward....More often red than not. A boom for membership on both sides. I would love to see the figures on the revenues generated by the recreational fishing industry (lobby and orgs) during the MLPA. Their fight against the science of reserves continues... and is understandable. In the longer term, we'll see if these small reserves can protect biodiversity (it is not just an issue of protecting fished species). All the various types of closures make it difficult to understand. But as a fisher I supported the reserves.
What a costly effort that resulted in a clear break from the science in support of reserve size and location off the coastal mainland. With respect to the south coast MLPA process, the red shirts prevailed at the expense of the deeper blue & to the detriment of the red shirts and their children's children. You were counted and won the battle, in my opinion. Your right to fish is contigent upon the presence of the fish, and the healthy system [it] we depend on.
momohonu (anonymous profile)
February 7, 2012 at 4:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
MVM, please stay! what is nature or science without poetry? You have the rare talent of being simultaneously a scientist and a sentimentalist. Your feelings of love for nature is what moves you to protect it. It is in your words. I feel sorry for those who forbid themselves of this delightful passion.
As Aldo Leopoldo and the people from Avatar knew, a resource can be eaten and loved at the same time.
My dear ocean, you feed me and provide me with joy. Your untamed nature and mysteries teaches me respect. I must eat your food now but I promise to protect you and understand your delicate balance. We shall both live forever.
4nature (anonymous profile)
February 7, 2012 at 5:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The "people from Avatar?" ??Really??
LegendaryYeti (anonymous profile)
February 7, 2012 at 6:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Really! Watch it again.
4nature (anonymous profile)
February 7, 2012 at 6:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The picture has become clear. Our planet with its remarkable array of life is in imminent danger of crashing. Yet our politicians are not dashing forward. They hesitate; they hang back. Therefore it is up to you. You will need to be a protector of your children and grandchildren on this matter. Dr. James Hansen, Storms Of My Grandchildren (2009)
Society is faced with a profound dilemma. To resist growth is to risk economic and social collapse. To pursue it relentlessly is to endanger the ecosystems on which we depend for long term survival. Dr. Tim Jackson, Prosperity without Growth: Economics for a Finite Planet (2009)
Where the Sky People come from they have no green. They killed their Mother and will do that here too. They will come like a never ending rain. Jake Sully, Avatar
Why is the reference to Avatar relevant?
Pandora represents a place to escape. Jake faces several choices during the film. These choices reflect a portrait of a journey. One option for Sully is a tragic choice to remain human and to participate in the mechanistic and cosmic Manifest Destiny that will ultimately lead to the destruction of Pandora and Na’vi culture. The other choice is one that requires what William Ophuls (1977) refers to as a fundamental “metanoia” or a transformation of worldview. The promise of metanoia is one primary ecological theme of the movie; it reflects a portrait of Sully’s path toward a radical transformative ecology that includes both spiritual and material manifestations – it is akin to what Joseph Campbell referred to as the “the heroic journey”. “A hero ventures forth from the world of common day into a region of supernatural wonder: fabulous forces are there encountered and a decisive victory is won: the hero comes back from this mysterious adventure with the power to bestow boons on his fellow man,” according to Campbell (1968: 30). The heroic journey is a similar theme of other films – ranging from the challenges faced by the protagonist Deckard in Blade Runner (1982) to the galactic wonderings of Luke Skywalker in Star Wars. Sully’s heroic journey is one that supports a choice for resistance rather than paying homage to mechanical exploits of humanity. Sully’s true test is whether he is willing to break away from the “mechanical mask” of exploitation – this test is one that, as in all heroic gestures, can lead to his own/his [Avatar’s] destruction.
momohonu (anonymous profile)
February 7, 2012 at 6:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Momohonu focus on the transformation of Jake. The transformation was deep and complex. 4Nature was thinking of the 2 scenes where Neytiri teaches Jake about hunting and killing ethics. Neytiri shows Jake that killing from stupidity is wrong and that when hunting for food, one must thank nature and the spirit of the dead. Aldo Leopoldo was also a hunter and one day he looked at a wolf in the eye and was transformed. He saw.
We destroy nature and overuse it because we don't have food ethics anymore. We don't say thank you to the creatures we eat. We disconnected ourselves from the basic resources that keep us alive.
I advocate bringing back a food ethic, as in Avatar. In this ethic we don't waste, we understand where the food came from, we accept that others died to feed us (even if we choose to be a vegetarian), we accept that food is limited and must be harvest with care and scientific knowledge, we control our population, we eat local and organic and we hug our farmer.
4nature (anonymous profile)
February 7, 2012 at 7:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
4nature, you have a wonderful way with words. I think that if we embrace this knowledge that you have shared we can begin to gain a greater understanding of what if means to be a human being. Thank you.
momohonu (anonymous profile)
February 7, 2012 at 11:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This is an interesting and informative forum. I greatly appreciate the deep and passionate discussion. The problems in our seas are only a reflection of those on land. We turned to the sea in mass in the 70s and 80s for cheap and high quality protein as resources diminished or became out of reach for many on land. Yes, there have always been ocean cultures that sustained on food from the sea, but the massive exploitation of the sea, which was evident by the fishers and seaman who noted the changes in our region, was the industrial ‘machine’ moving from land to water to feed the world.
I agree with 4Nature. We need to re-cultivate a food ethic and to understand, not only the value of eating locally, but the impacts of not. Why is it that one cat obtain lobster and fresher-than-fresh sushi in Dallas or Chicago or Denver – fresher and more abundant than any coastal city? Why do we have access to zucchini from Mexico and bell peppers from the Mediterranean in the winter? Most people don’t know what seasonal eating is, or understand the health benefits of eating food grown in your own soils. Farmers know, but our demand for ‘on-demand’ food of any variety at any time drives a world market that is pushing small local farmers to the brink. Just like the small fishers that have lost a life style, farmers on land have as well. The industrialization of farming, like fishing, will change the landscape forever and our food sources will be under the jurisdiction of corporations and bureaucrats. I for one am scared.
We must understand and appreciate that animal protein is a gift from Gaia for which we should be reverent and respectful. Animals provide us life-giving protein and nourishment, but we must give thanks and provide humane treatment in return. We must also understand that, even if one chooses to eat fish, fowl or meat as a protein source, we can eat it sparingly. The ‘waste’ 4Nature talks about is also about our gluttony. A few ounces of meat every few days should suffice with a well balanced palate of food. It’s a matter of health AND a matter of sustainability.
I say hug a farmer, hug a fisher and turn inward to find your values. Be conscious of what you do, how and what you eat, and gain a literacy of your region – your soil, air, water, ocean and food. BTW, MVM needs to continue his columns. This kind of dialog is rare and very important. There are few places where honest and meaningful conversation can happen.
Ecolocal (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2012 at 9 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Good things can come from conflict and chaos - and clarity helps.
Pagurus (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2012 at 11:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Good things? I guess I will wait and see....while I buy my fish from a approved list and approved commercial enterprises so my money goes to the "good guys" right??? could some of the good guys profit hugely in the future being green? rather than poor shmucks like me, eating fish I caught?
Money is a funny thing huh Momo? who supported the closures? Pew, Walton, Oceana, Hubbs (=100's of millions ) all seem to be funding this, I am not quite sure recreational fishing lobbyist equal that or we would not be having this polite discussion
I understand Noaa's enforcement of fish laws was not exactly legal back east in that a bunch went into a slush fund?, Wonder who will get the offices in the new noaa aquarium out at the university? wonder where the money came from?
But wait I should be happy because my side won? that is another zinger Momo
dadof3 (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2012 at 2:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
How Green
I do remember the islands and my brothers pictures and stories from the 60's
I also still find quite a bit of life (where I am allowed) in our huge and ever changing channel, maybe not where you were at the time you were looking, but thats always been the case even back in the day, otherwise where did we get the term "skunked"? or try and find new areas?
dadof3 (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2012 at 2:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
dadof3,
A good friend of my family, now decreased, hunted Black Sea Bass with a 7' four band speargun, he was a Physician who also taught me Diving Medicine. I always brought home an AB, couple Bugs and some large Scallops, never bag limits but they were there for the taking if I desired. My parents just liked it fresh so we only took a meal instead of a bag limit. I would like nothing better to do it today and for my children to be able to do it.
Facts are Facts it just is not out there any more.
Caught Salmon on the Rincon, Bonito off a trolling jig on the way out to the Islands, not bad smoked.
Again not there any more.
I took my Fathers boat out in the summer with only a couple of boxes of cereal, moms chocolate chip cookies and milk for a week and three guys lived off the bounty of the sea. You would starve to death if you tried to do it today.
I don't like it anymore than you do, believe me.
howgreenwasmyvalley (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2012 at 3:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Yes the 3 B's of summer Bonita, Bass, Barracuda
2 of those b's were wrapped by seiners and sold for cat food/ fertilizer, every year right at the southern entrance to the channel
The commercial stick fishing craze of the late 80's early 90's put the hammer to the fish at the islands including foreign boats that worked off a mother ship (Japanese registered)
So my gripe is that enviros whack all kinds of mammals on the islands, commercial guys fish all year and all depths all species, but recreational guys are just raping the commons? recreational fishing lobbyists won the battle?
Lets get a little sanity involved here, remove the 3 month closure.
dadof3 (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2012 at 4:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thank you for another enjoyable read, Mr. McGinnis, I aquired more insight and knowledge from your writings'.
dou4now (anonymous profile)
February 9, 2012 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
McGinnis does a public service by writing this column.
When I sit atop my mountain perch and look down at the ocean and islands I see that everyting is connected. Everyhting people do has an effect on the natural world. Fishing, over-fishing, what we eat, what we drive, how we get our water. We are tied to the fish, to the abalone, to the grizzly and chimpanzee. Our fates are linked, but we are the only one who can wipe the others out. McGinnes' columns provide important insights into the relationship between humans and the rest of nature.We benefit from hearing this. and although the times are very dim for our wonderful fisheries and biodiversity, McGinnes is able to give us hope and make us think about our actions. There is hope. When we learn to live as part of the planet again, and not as something that thinks it controls the planet.Thank you for this wonderful discussion thread. I have enjoyed it much. I will retire to my cave now. PS - I don't eat fish or other meat but am not opposed to eating meat. If less people eat meat, this whole issue would not be controversial and our seas would still be much richer.
goleta43 (anonymous profile)
February 9, 2012 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I also Thank everyone for listening to my rant, and apologize if I seem hostile...
I don't think anyone should stop expressing their opinion, and I believe we all deserve to be respected and given this venue to express different opinions
dadof3 (anonymous profile)
February 9, 2012 at 1:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Can we expect another article from McGinnis? I hope so. It would be nice to see this column continue, and to broaden the discussion to include more folks with diverse histories, values, and stories to tell. I have learned alot from this thread.
momohonu (anonymous profile)
February 9, 2012 at 3:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)