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Posted on March 5 at 12:58 p.m.

"Like the recent outbreaks of whooping cough and measles in Santa Barbara County, chickenpox is a resurgent disease preventable with vaccination."

Above is false, certainly at least in regard to whooping cough and measles.

Safety and *effectiveness* must be considered together.

For a vaccine to be both (1) safe and (2) effective, it must:

(1) provide sufficient real world protection that the risks — of injecting a toxic cocktail of neurotoxins, immunotoxins, mutating cancer viruses, heavy metals, and assorted industrial filth directly into one's bloodstream, or that of one's child, bypassing the immune system — are worth taking

(2) reduce the incidence of the disease more than it spreads the disease


The current vaccines are causing a *resurgence* of this disease.

See here:


• six articles with excerpts
• two charts
• this database from a law firm detailing 222 cases of vaccine injury settlements from this firm in just three years:


The current measles (MMR) vaccine is a fraud. Because Merck, a criminal entity [ ], fabricated the efficacy studies, this vaccine offers virtually no real world protection, if any. Thus it *spreads* the disease, rather than reducing incidents.


'Scientific fraud is inherent in the vaccine industry' about 50% down this page:

from the DISEASE (in ten years):


from the fraudulent MMR VACCINE (in ten years):

DEATHS: 108 confirmed, 1000 estimated


[the first article below includes snapshots from federal VAERS database that is accessible to the public]

'ZERO U.S. Measles Deaths in 10 Years, but Over 100 Measles Vaccine Deaths Reported'

'MMR measles vaccine clinical trial results faked — U.S. court documents reveal'

'Dr. Rowen [Johns Hopkins / UC San Francisco]: Measles Spread by those Vaccinated'

'Measles Transmitted By The Vaccinated, Gov. Researchers Confirm'

'The Disney Measles Outbreak: A Mousetrap of Ignorance'


On Chickenpox Breaks Out in County

Posted on March 5 at 10:52 a.m.

"…the 340% increase in autism among black boys who get measles vaccinations and the CDC's refusal to release its data on this is a racist policy…"

Good points.

Regarding, "…the conclusion involves cognitive processing rather than repetition…":

Because Merck fabricated the efficacy studies, the current MMR vaccine is *worse than useless*: it spreads measles more than it prevents it.

So it affects *everyone* negatively: all races, vaccinated and unvaccinated.


More details (at the Santa Barbara County Schools Superintendent Bill Cirone discussion) regarding that particular vaccine and *three additional* (influenza, whooping cough, HPV) that are similarly fraudulent:

On Herd Immunity Irrelevant for Vaccines

Posted on March 4 at 8:02 p.m.

Regarding, at March 4, 2015 at 6:33 p.m.:
"…Colloidal silver is being confiscated by UN and NATO in Africa…"

Why not push the envelope a bit at this point in this discussion? ;-)

Those unable to accept even that the current MMR vaccine is a deliberate fraud produced by a criminal entity can hardly successfully discredit....

'Hep B and HPV Vaccines Producing an Extraordinary Number of Deaths'

"The HPV vaccine has caused an extraordinary number of deaths of young girls. According to government statistics over 100 young girls have died (it’s many times higher than that figure say lawyers keeping track), and almost 800 have been disabled. These figures are based on VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System which is estimated to capture only 1 to 2 percent of adverse events...

"DNA from cowpox, and either hepatitis B virus, influenza virus or herpes virus is being shot into the previously normal human DNA of most newborn babies in the US within hours after their birth."


'Mandatory Vaccination and Police Brutality: Your Priceless Human DNA Connects Them'

"Funny how the word "fascist" keeps popping up in the reaction to the sudden nationwide push for mandated vaccines, which turn out to be GMO vaccines that genetically engineer anyone forced to take, inserted DNA from pigs, insects and diseases into their DNA…

"Is it just a coincidence that police in different places across country are starting to collect people's DNA?

"Lest we forget, the historically Nazi pharmaceutical industry was obsessed with genetics, seeing most of the world as genetically inferior. (The GMO vaccines they have been surreptitiously giving, create "inferior genetics" in anyone receiving them because their human DNA is contaminated by other species.)

"The Nazis backed by the pharmaceutical industry always mandated vaccines in every country they ever took over. They killed huge numbers of people in the name of health with vaccines, while in unoccupied countries not given vaccines, a miniscule number of people died from the diseases themselves. They are the same vaccine mandates here. The current measles vaccine (the MMR that a CDC researcher admits causes autism and will testify before Congress about the CDC hiding that data), is a repeat of the Nazi pattern…"



The Open Payments Data website presented by the government reveals to you the depths to which your personal care provider could be controlled by Big Pharma’s institutions. From physicians to teaching hospitals, you can even identify the company making payments:

On Herd Immunity Irrelevant for Vaccines

Posted on March 4 at 6:39 a.m.

Those among us who don't find reading challenging, and who, unlike…

Santa Barbara County Schools Superintendent Bill Cirone

…are capable of distinguishing real science from the corporate engineered for-profit junk science of the vaccine industry promoted, for obvious reasons, by NYT-CNN-AP-WaPo-ABC-CBS-MSNBC-Fox-HuffPo-Reuters-BBC-NPR-PBS…

…might enjoy this article:

'Did 2014 Mark the Collapse of the Vaccine Establishment?'
Richard Gale and Gary Null, PhD


"After several decades of studying the scientific literature regarding vaccines, following the money trails, and interviewing many dozens of toxicologists, immunologists, research physicians, pediatricians, and medical journalists the vaccine paradigm can now be accurately deconstructed with real independent science…

"…After reviewing some of the CDC data received by Dr. Thompson [CDC whistleblower], as well as data records acquired through freedom of information submissions, Prof. Hooker discovered that the CDC has known since 2001 that children exposed to thimerosal in utero were 800 percent more likely to regress into autism…

"An early 2014 report released by the Council of Foreign Relations to identify countries with the highest rates of disease outbreaks, accidentally revealed that the most highly vaccinated populations are also those with the greatest number of outbreaks for those same infectious diseases.

"This was especially the case for measles, mumps, rubella, polio and pertussis outbreaks...

"Given the repeated incidences of infectious outbreaks in populations with 94% or more vaccine compliance, and the emergence of new viral strains, the concept of herd immunity should be forgotten…

"The conclusion is that the B. pertussis vaccinated individual now endangers the health of the unvaccinated and vaccinated alike...

"A paper out of the University of California at Berkeley and appearing in the October 2013 issue of Molecular Cytogenetics came to public attention last year to suggest that cervical cancer may not be caused by the human papilloma virus. If the theory is correct that may prove that the HPV vaccines Gardasil and Cervarix do not prevent cervical cancer at all…"



'Pro-Vaccination Propaganda Is Backfiring, Study Shows'

On Herd Immunity Irrelevant for Vaccines

Posted on March 4 at 4:54 a.m.


Whatever our differences, surely no one among us could possibly fail to appreciate that the author of the two comments directly above, as well as two previous in this discussion…

"Tiber [sic], have a drink.. pop a pill. you're embarassing [sic] yourself."

"...Most people don't bother reading your posts, suck on that."

…has volunteered his expertise to critique our cognitive abilities and writing skills.

On Herd Immunity Irrelevant for Vaccines

Posted on March 3 at 11 p.m.

Regarding, @ March 3, 2015 at 10:55 p.m:

"Most people don't bother reading your posts...":

Sadly, the baseless conjecture above is also delusional (how, in an online discussion, could anyone know what "most people" are reading?).

On Herd Immunity Irrelevant for Vaccines

Posted on March 3 at 10:55 p.m.

"…vaccines keep you healthy…", @ March 3, 2015 at 10:52 a.m…

…is false.

Note the section: 'Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Who’s Healthier?' at:

'Should Parents Be Allowed to Decide About Vaccines?'


"In December 2010, a survey was initiated by to compare the health of vaccinated children with unvaccinated children…

"The results show:

Condition.....Vaccinated Prevalence……Unvaccinated Prevalence
Hay fever...................17.86%.............................3%
Middle ear infections...20.84%...........................7.5%


'Unvaccinated children less prone to disease: study'

A 1992 New Zealand study makes a strong case for the fact that unvaccinated children are generally healthier and less prone to disease than vaccinated children. Contrary to what is popularly assumed about vaccines — that they protect children by building immunity that otherwise would not exist — this research shows that vaccinated children are actually much more likely to suffer from chronic diseases like asthma, eczema, tonsillitis and a host of other health conditions, compared to their unvaccinated peers.

There were ZERO cases of epilepsy observed among unvaccinated children.

The study provided solid scientific evidence in support of considerable anecdotal evidence that unvaccinated children are healthier than their vaccinated peers.


'2011 Study: Vaccinated Children Have 2 to 5 Times More Diseases and Disorders Than Unvaccinated Children'

'State of health of unvaccinated children'

On Herd Immunity Irrelevant for Vaccines

Posted on March 3 at 9:37 p.m.

"Is that really your point?"

I'm confident that competent readers know the answer to the question above is:


On Herd Immunity Irrelevant for Vaccines

Posted on March 3 at 9:09 p.m.

Regarding @ March 3, 2015 at 8:51 p.m. :

vacuous blather, misdirected to one participant here rather than the entire group — undocumented opinion signifying nothing

On Herd Immunity Irrelevant for Vaccines

Posted on March 3 at 7:02 p.m.

From the link @ March 3, 2015 at 6:22 p.m.:

" should also talk to your pediatrician…"

Most pediatricians practice allopathic medicine [ ], and thus:

(1) get their vaccine information from those selling the vaccines

(2) are subject to threats to their livelihoods and reputations if they question any vaccine (note the report from Australia, one of many, linked near the bottom of the comment @ March 3, 2015 at 8:37 a.m.)

Click the link below for 42 quotes, 28 from MDs or PhDs, arranged in six categories, including...

• The Power of Indoctrination
• Denial — Refusing to Connect the Dots
• Professional Repercussions

…explaining why allopaths are silent about vaccines:

'Why Are Doctors Silent?'


[ The first five of six links below resolve at a specific comment within a local discussion (an "anchor point" on the page); on some systems, if Disqus is running slowly, occasionally they resolve at the main page in error. As the URL itself is correct, should that happen, simply re-load the page. ]

'Vaccine Safety & Effectiveness - Influenza; Pertussis ("whooping cough"); Human Papillomavirus (HPV); Measles, Mumps, Rubella (MMR)'

'Santa Barbara County Public Health Department Propagates Big Pharma Quackery and CDC Scientific Fraud'

'Sansum Clinic "Herd Immunity" Deception'

'Sunny Santa Barbara Vitamin D Guide'

'Santa Barbara's Whooping Cough Scam'

^ Includes nine citations in the form of six articles with excerpts, two charts, and this law firm database which details 222 successful cases of vaccine injury settlements at one firm from May 2011 through November 2014:

'Maglio Christopher & Toale - Vaccine Injury Cases'

The injury settlements range from $10,000 to $61 million.

Most of the settlements are for Guillain Barre Syndrome (polio, re-branded) caused by the very aggressively marketed annual influenza vaccine (there were *18* confirmed cases of influenza fatalities in the entire US in 2010).

The largest settlement, $61 million (case no. 08-463V), was for the very aggressively marketed DTap (diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis [whooping cough]) vaccine, widely considered to be the deadliest vaccine currently in production.

On Herd Immunity Irrelevant for Vaccines

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