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Posted on October 28 at 10:30 a.m.
Joshanders_84
..and I don't believe either of us should speak on their behalf. It's far too common an argument to fall back on, and they aren't here to clarify their positions, so it's moot.
I suggest you read the founding fathers books. Lets not revise history too.
Posted on October 27 at 9:26 p.m.
...will you next want to define 'family' as being only a man and a woman and their natural biological offspring?
Of course not I'm adopted and I can not question the complexities on a so called normal family. I have 2 sons that I would give my life for.
My favorite family story is about a king who was going through a taught time with his people. There had been a famine for 3 years and his people were starving. It hearts him deeply through his sole. His family was always fed last and always hungry.
Then the story turns to a problem of stealing food from the tribe. Someone had been stealing stores of grain and the king made an announcement that this person will be found and killed at the switching post.
A while later the King was informed that the thief had been found. The King orders them to bring the thief to the pole in the central part of the tribe. The thief was to be readied for death by beating. The King now was in the center ready to beat this person to death. He asked only one question. Why? The thief turned around and answered to her son that she wanted her son the King to be strong and healthy. The son King put his arms around his mother and said that He will take her punishment. So the King ordered the head of the guard to whip him to death in order to save his mother.
Love of family, love of life that is the question. Where do we parents draw the line? We must stay the course and hold firm the values of the builders of this nation. If we do not my generation will be that of shame.
Posted on October 27 at 8:34 p.m.
What you do not believe in the laws of nature?
CS Lewis said it best in his book Mere Christianity ”when a nations words do not mean what they meant the generation before morality is going to be tested.” He said this during a radio broadcast in WW2 when the British were getting bombed 24 hours a day. Citizens were giving up hope. The Germans were trying to convince the British population that Jews were evil and the question of good and evil was being challenged. Lewis uses the example of the word “Gentleman.” Today we think of a gentleman as being a good man however we already have the word good. He explains that the meaning of Gentleman in his and Churchill’s generation meant a man of cast, a lord, land owner or elitist. All of these men could be cheats, liars, and crooks and so on. The word just meant a man of some power.
Churchill in the mid thirties was also trying to pontificate to the British that Hitler was changing the meaning of Natural Law. I sure you understand Jews were sub human.
Even Hitler new that when a stone falls it does not think about it. There are Laws of Nature whether or not you agree does not change the fact.
Say good night Gracy, unlike elitist I have to get up early and work. You see I’m just a working class uneducated guy that when he cut and pasts the truth it does not change the fact that it true.
Thank you for the motivation
O' by the way my parents told me these stories about WW2 becuase they lived it. They lost all they had in London to the blitz.
Posted on October 27 at 7:17 p.m.
Please forgive me for spelling socialism wrong. However I once read that Karl Marx posited that socialism would be achieved via class struggle and a proletarian revolution which represents the transitional stage between capitalism and communism.
About the same time Friedrich Nietzsche's influence of the German language made radical changes to the meaning of words. Hitler reading both of these authors decided that the Jew was evil and so on...Nietzsche's influence still remains substantial
Guys you still don’t get it. This is about changing the meaning of the word marriage nothing else. Call it what you will, the word marriage means between Man and Woman.
A nation is always judged by how it treats its’ children. Search you heart. Do you really think children will understand why they are different when at an elementary school open house they introduce Dad and Dad?
Quit trying to make what is unnormal normal. The first law of nature is procreation the second is gravity.
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Posted on October 27 at 12:52 p.m.
Yes the Calif. Constitution has to be changed when voter's choices are not validated. Going to the poll making thier choice only to be changed by a few that could not get thier way. Let me take my ball home becuse I lost. The 8 year old would say.
This is about validating the voting public and thier choices and then keeping intact what was chosen by the masses.
If this passes why would I care to vote in the future. My vote will not count. Socializm? Is this the direction you want?
Take a stand and be counted! Why? my vote did not count last time. Why? Becuase I'am an American and know that the founding fathers would turn in thier grave if they could see what we are voting for.
Words and thier meanings were very inmportant to them, so much they died for the meaning of freedom.
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Posted on October 27 at 11:54 a.m.
The question is asked. If a Prop 8 supporter could present to me a logical argument as to why gay marriage should not be allowed, I'd sit down and listen to them.
This is not about if homosexual unions are aloud, they are. It is only about changing the meaning of the word marriage.
Lets change the word "boat" to mean skate board. Why? becuse I want to. How selfish of me. What is my intent?
These are the questions I have been asking the gay community. There is a provision for homosexuals to be in a union, a joint agreement that is honored by the law.
So why change the meaning of the word Marriage?
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Posted on October 28 at 4:12 p.m.
joshanders_84
You said. “Would you honestly tell someone they cannot do something solely because of the way they were born?”
Yes. We are all born with certain propensities toward actions society disallows. It is how I control my natural inclination of my sex drive that makes a difference in my community. I have an inclination to drink and drive—I have had to learn not to drink if I have a car availble.
You said. Are you really so tied to a word that you're willing to try a re-hashing of separate but equal? So tied to a word you would take away others' rights? So tied to a word that you would amend our constitution to have your way? Forgive me for believing our constitution is better than that.
No one had the right to change the meaning of a word.
And Yes we the people do have the right to amend the Constitution. It allows for Amendments
Amendment I (December 15, 1791)
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging
the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the
people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for
a redress of grievances
On Santa Barbara’s Clergy on Proposition 8