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A 15-year-old was stabbed three times in the back Wednesday evening on the corner of Santa Barbara and Canon Perdido streets, but police have so far not identified or arrested any suspects.

Lt. Todd Stoney said officers responded to the scene at around 6:30 p.m. to find the male victim bleeding from his wounds. He was treated at the scene and transported for the hospital for further care, but is expected to make a full recovery.

Witnesses saw two young Hispanic males fleeing the area — the victim is also Hispanic — and though police canvassed the area and looked at security camera footage from nearby businesses, they were not able to locate the suspects.

It’s not clear if the incident was gang-related. Detectives continue to investigate, Stoney said.


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young male hispanics stabbing each other. to assume gangs are involved is a stretch.

more likely its a coincidence.

lawdy (anonymous profile)
September 27, 2013 at 9:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

More likely is that racist white guys forced them to do it.

Botany (anonymous profile)
September 27, 2013 at 9:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This must be about the nonexistent gang problem in

zuma7 (anonymous profile)
September 27, 2013 at 10:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

No problem as long as it stays in the ghettos.

AZ2SB (anonymous profile)
September 28, 2013 at 8:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm not worried, the anti-gun people will implement their laws and solve this violence and we'll all be holding hands singing "Michael Row Your Boat Ashore".

Social engineering will ultimately solve all our problems, we simply have to put our blind faith into it.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
September 28, 2013 at 5:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

They are NOT anti-gun. They are against weapons that hold too many rounds and are the favorite of mass-murderers. If you think killing innocent kids in elementary schools is worth the price of high-capacity weapons, then you are living in the right country.

They are NOT anti-gun. They are for background checks so that those with mental problems cannot get their hands on guns, like the last shooter. And most of the country approves of background checks - except for the leaders of the NRA. Even the MEMBERS of the NRA agree with background checks.

And as bad as this violence is and needs to be fixed, be thankful that the gang members are using knives instead of guns - where there is no chance of stray bullets killing innocent bystanders.

tabatha (anonymous profile)
September 28, 2013 at 7:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"be thankful that the gang members are using knives instead of guns - where there is no chance of stray bullets killing innocent bystanders."

tabatha (anonymous profile)
September 28, 2013 at 7:26 p.m

Not true. People in the big cities (where there is very strict gun laws) die frequently from stray bullets. Do you think this won't happen in Santa Barbara?...or are you saying it doesn't happen at all?

And here is a google link to "innocent bystanders killed in gang shootings".

billclausen (anonymous profile)
September 28, 2013 at 8:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

By the way, shouldn't we go deeper than (just) keeping guns away from violent people? Shouldn't violent people be kept out of society? I have never heard this angle discussed.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
September 28, 2013 at 8:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

They're anti-gun. The ATT doesn't mention the second amendment right to bear arms. The ATT is a UN treaty, and the UN advocates global disarmament. The ATT was based on this 1961 UN Disarmament Agreement;
Kerry ignored this letter signed by 130 members of congress June 2012 stating the ATT would endanger the US and violate the second amendment.
There haven't been any innocent kids killed in elementary schools. There have been many false flag performances coinciding with FEMA disaster drills. The FBI used some of the same actors in the Boston marathon bombing and at Sandy Hook, including amputees who act in crisis scenes and who have a website.
No children interviewed at Sandy Hook saw a shooter. There were sounds heard over the school intercom that kids said sounded like shots. Sandyhook "fatality" Emilie Parker was present at the memorial service, sitting on Obama's lap.
A memorial for Victoria Soto, the teacher "fatality", was posted on Facebook four days before the event.
The mother of one of the "fatalities" posted a Youtube video seriously protesting the government's use of a photo of her daughter that had been posted online for an unrelated reason and describing her as a victim
The feds imposed a 90-day gag order on those involved. The "autopsy" records are sealed. No bodies or blood was seen.
Adam Lanza's mother didn't receive a phone call or refer to her son. Adam Lanza hadn't lived with his mother for years - neighbors hadn't seen him.
Adam Lanza's father was subpoenaed by congress to testify in the bank fraud Libor hearings.
There's no evidence Adam Lanza was present - he's not on the security video at the school's front door, and police said they broke a window to get in, not him. Two men were seen running into the woods behind the school. after the event.
Adam Lanza's mother didn't work at the school.
Many Youtube videos.

14noscams (anonymous profile)
September 28, 2013 at 9:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That was my point - thanks for making it. The use of knives cannot result in stray bullets killing innocents. The locals were using knives. They were not using guns - not because of gun laws - but because they probably could not get guns. Thus be thankful they were not using guns because stray bullets can kill people as shown in your links - which made my point. They were not using guns in this instance - hence no possibility of stray bullets killing innocents.

I have no idea what point you were trying to make against my point - because it was the same as my point.

tabatha (anonymous profile)
September 29, 2013 at 7:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I thought you were one of the more rational voices here, but your gun stuff is from pure conspiracy nut-talkers.

"The treaty, which relates only to cross-border trade and aims to keep weapons out of the hands of human rights abusers and criminals, still requires ratification by the U.S. Senate and has been attacked by the influential gun rights group the National Rifle Association (NRA)."

--- It relates ONLY to cross-border trade.

The practical implications for U.S. arms manufacturers are likely to be limited since, as Kerry noted, the United States already has in place the kind of strict export controls for weapons that are outlined in the treaty.

"We are talking about the kind of export controls that for decades have not diminished one iota our ability in the United States as Americans to exercise our rights under the constitution," he said.

--- The United States ALREADY has the strict export controls in the treaty, already in place.

"This treaty will not diminish anyone's freedom, in fact the treaty recognizes the freedom of both individuals and states to obtain, possess and use arms for legitimate purposes," Kerry said after signing the treaty.

"Make no mistake, we would never think about supporting a treaty that is inconsistent with the rights of Americans, the rights of American citizens to be able to exercise their guaranteed rights under our constitution," he said.

--- The treaty recognizes the freedom of both individuals and states to have and use arms.

It helps to get the facts straight.

As for Sandy Hook - if you think that killing kids was done as some sort of false flag operation, then I guess we should wait for the false flag conspiracy nuts to twist the evidence of Aaron Alexis.

tabatha (anonymous profile)
September 29, 2013 at 7:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sandy Hook Conspiracy Theory Video Debunked By Experts


tabatha (anonymous profile)
September 29, 2013 at 7:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

what good is a local gun ordinance (take Chicago for example) if gang members can just drive to another county or state and buy guns without any restrictions? until ALL states in the union implement a universal background check and registration system we will continue to have 1 mass shooting (an incident where 4 or more people are shot) every day in this country.

StockiestCastle (anonymous profile)
September 29, 2013 at 12:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My point Tabatha is that as L.A. goes, so does S.B. It's just a matter of time. Also, passing more gun laws in all the states (per the Utopian vision) will not stop the bad people from getting guns. What amazes me about the people who think this will work is that they DO get how the Drug War has failed, (look at how people st ill easily obtain illegal drugs--and how these drugs cross he U.S. border) but are blinded by their idealism from seeing the similarity to why the gun laws are failing, so no, I didn't make your point. These two issues are strikingly similar because of the cultural significance they pose. Any of us who point out the failure of drug prohibition of branded as radical Libs with loose morals trying to corrupt the youth of America. (With images of ratty Hippies in a Cheech and Chong picture coming to mind) Those of us who dare to point out the fallacies of the anti-gun crowd are branded as right-wing idiot lunatics. Both sides simply can't look past their rote ideologies and see what is really happening.

The problem seems that these people cannot acknowledge WHY there is so much violence today. Guns have always been around, and were easier to obtain in years past. If mass shootings consist of four or more people getting shot, then that logic would dictate that any simple six-shooter pistol is sufficient to do the deed. Why wasn't this happening in the past? Even though we now have sped up Internet viral reports of such things, we still would have heard about it on the news 30, 40, or 50 years ago. We live in a more violent society, but looking in the mirror requires more work than simply saying we need to pass more laws with the never-ending promise of "this law will go a long way in"...(fill in the blank) Anytime more laws to govern our behavior are proposed, it means A: The government is simply trying to intrude into our lives for their benefit; or B: They are responding to a legitimate negative consequence of a behavioral trend in society. (The gang injunction in Santa Barbara being a good example)

Special note to Tabatha: Every time a gang member stabs another, there ARE innocent victims: The loves ones of the stabbed, or the loved ones of the person who just threw their life away. Contrary to what so many bloggers I've seen here say, not all of them come from gang banging families, but armchair Liberalism doesn't take that into account.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
September 29, 2013 at 4:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

P.S. I saw that about a week ago you took a gratuitous jab about people from the South Tabatha. As I remember it was something about them being illiterate. Tolerance? Hypocritical much?

billclausen (anonymous profile)
September 29, 2013 at 4:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, people tend to stereotype southerners, but let me share this tale of southerners, and tolerance.

There once was a man named C.J., and he fit the image of a Hick perfectly. He was illiterate, lived in a shack in Tennessee, and had but one tooth, but it was a good one. One day, C.J. discovered the tooth had magic powers, and was able to give him all the knowledge of the Literati.

He consulted the tooth, and soon became versed in Shakespeare, Euclidean geometry, The book of Kells, the Neoplatonist philosopher Hypatia, and an array of subjects and soon became the leading Renaissance Man of his time. At this time, he became ashamed of his humble origin and distance himself from those who loved him.

This did not go unnoticed and he was soon invited to state dinners, visited the royal courts of Europe, and gave speeches around the world. He then moved to New York as he felt more at home there than in his, as he described it, "backwoods hick village". What also did not go unnoticed was his increasing arrogance. While his family and old friends were illiterate, they were good, kind people who had instilled in C.J. a sense of ethics, but by now he was not only offending those from whence he came, but even his new Blue Blood friends. He did not care however, and continued to distance himself from his family, clearly feeling shame and in particular, denouncing all from South of the Mason-Dixon line as uncouth and intolerant.

It finally occurred to C.J. that the only reason his new "friends" would have anything to do with him was because of the status he had attained, but that even they could no longer tolerate his attitude. (And he had since acquired a stunning set of dentures, but kept the original tooth) C.J. then consulted to the tooth and said "what is more profitable, knowledge or wisdom?" The tooth replied "while knowledge is good for navigation in everyday matters, wisdom is way of true enlightenment. You speak ill of intolerance while practicing it yourself, and this is not true wisdom". C.J. realized the error of his ways, and thanked the tooth. The tooth then told him "you clearly are now wise, you no longer need me, you have the good stuff to carry on and improve the world around you. Go now my son, and may the wind be at your back".

At that time C.J. removed the tooth, and thus marked the first removal of a Wisdom Tooth.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
September 29, 2013 at 5:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Very organic writing dolphinpod.

Here is a link about the sister and step-father of a Sandy Hook shooting victim who do not like the way the anti-gun crowd are exploiting the tragedy.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
September 30, 2013 at 6:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

tabatha debunking videos in my experience are very selective and generally only answer straw-man arguments that are crafted by the debunkers themselves and are not legitimately vetted questions that are still left after the dust has settled in these type of incidents. Sandy Hook was such a controlled situation from the beginning and there is so much conflicting info was that constantly being released that it would be almost impossible to get to the truth. One thing I do know, is that Obama is responsible for killing thousands of times more children than Sandy Hook with drones. It makes us look really hypocritical when it's not just something that is "happening" far away that we ignore, but we are actually directly responsible for those deaths yet we focus on our own precious chosen white people here who are at a minimum a product of death via the Medical Industrial Complex and Big Pharma (every mass shooter is always on meds or coming off), and quite possibly in many cases by a movement headed by the establishment to disarm US citizens.

Maybe you can answer why they found multiple gas masks at Aurora, why several witnesses said they saw multiple gunmen with grenades coming from one side of the theater and shots being fired on the other... Why witnesses saw the supposed gunman, who was conveniently dressed in a costume, on the phone before the movie and why he went out the exit before the movie started and propped open the door.. He looked so drugged when they captured him, there's no way he carried out the attack by himself in that condition. He was probably drugged and left out back of the theater to be caught, he was the planned Patsy.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
September 30, 2013 at 11:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Waco: Rules of Engagement
In order to protect the children, we have to burn them all alive.

So it's ok for the government to burn children alive because the militia movement in this country was growing and they needed an excuse to clamp down so they sent in a Federal Agent who made up a bunch of stories about child molestation that have never been substantiated and went into a peaceful compound which contained a large arsenal of legal firearms that the local sheriff had inspected within weeks of the incident and subsequently raided the compound even though they knew the Davidians were armed and prepared to defend their property against violent invaders who their leader and prophesied would come to kill them.

The Davidians, who were merely engaged in self defense against the U.S. Military which up until this point had never been used against U.S. citizens as this is completely unconstitutional, were able to hold off the U.S. Government military thugs for several weeks using what tabatha refers to as 'unnecessary' multi-round repeating rifles. In the mean time the media repeated lie after lie after lie so they could get the public on their side so that when they eventually murdered everybody people would cheer for the government. Sick stuff.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
September 30, 2013 at 11:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I love how the current administration is playing "the children" card again per Syria yet fails to point out all the children who die when U.S. bombs are dropped on the many countries it invades. Beside that, why is life only sacred when it's that of women and children? I'm sure men who lose their families must feel SOME emotion when they see all their loves ones dead or they themselves are laying in a hospital with body parts missing.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
September 30, 2013 at 3:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i wasn't saying ban guns, i know that's unreasonable (well not banning guns but the expectation that the industry lobby and political profiteers would ever allow it to happen) but what would be wrong with some sort of universal background check, registration and insurance? is your vehicle registration, smog, licensing and insurance impeding on your civil liberties? folks just need to understand that owning a gun comes with great responsibility and in order to act within a functioning society as a gun owner it's irresponsible to foot the bill of said "tool" on the rest of society. who do you think pays for the emergency rooms and gunshot trauma centers that house the 100,000+ annual gunshot victims in this country? everyone.

StockiestCastle (anonymous profile)
October 2, 2013 at 2:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

billclausen: video of same woman Rachel D'Avino alive after Sandy Hook, also at Boston bombing;

Greenburg-Sexton family - many Sandy Hook, Boston actors

Tabatha - it helps to get the facts straight. Posting dates on Facebook can't be changed. Video of Emilie Parker with Obama also has her 2 sisters. Other links are ridiculously obvious disinformation.
Read the ATT; it says nothing about individuals owning guns - it refers only to States.
The disinformation posts and censorship are increasing at an astounding rate.
As CIA Director William Casey stated in 1981; We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false.

14noscams (anonymous profile)
October 5, 2013 at 9:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Vance said he was disgusted by the conspiracy theories. ”There’s no hoax. I was there. I stepped over the dead children. That’s no hoax. And it’s offensive to me as an investigator, and it’s offensive to the families who lost their babies to have people come up with silliness like this. Whatever their reasoning is, whatever their rationale is, it’s just terribly offensive,” Vance added."

tabatha (anonymous profile)
October 6, 2013 at 8:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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