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Posted on October 1 at 12:52 p.m.
Dear Mr. Greenspan,
Thank you for the vote for 911 jackassery MVP. You defenders of the coincidence theories from the government, though, will be proven the winners. To the third and fourth generation such will be your embarrassment like the 1930's Nazi's are to today's German youth.
As for the pairing of Christian Science to 9/11 Truth, your comments exhibit a very shallow understanding of both.
9/11 conspiracy theories occupy a wide spectrum, some of it unfounded, and in cases blatantly unbelievable if not untruthful, speculation. I agree. Legions of individual conspiracy theories can be thrown out without disproving the validity of the case. Why?
Because not all 9/11 conspiracy theories are fringe, unfounded, unbelievable, nutty, loony, or delusional. Some are outright truthful being based on mathematics.http://www.youtube.com/ae911truth
Truth is a synonym or attribute of God in CS.
Are we in agreement that the laws of mathematics and physics are universal Truths? A student of CS can agree with that, even though they endeavor to take a more spiritual view (e.g., "awakening from a false sense of life, substance, and mind in matter") and may try to side-step 9/11 with:
"Mere historic incidents and personal events are frivolous and of no moment, unless they illustrate the ethics of Truth."~ Mary Baker Eddy
The catch is the phrase: "unless they illustrate the ethics of Truth."
What do the ethics of Truth dictate? Do they suggest that we (or a student of CS) keep silent and let a falsehood persist?
Ignoring countless other anomalies about 9/11, the Truth is that free-fall happened in WTC-7. This is what the 9/11 Truth Movement has been saying all along and that NIST officially reports in their Final Report on WTC-7.
In belittling me and the Christian Science faith, you avoided answering my question:
What are the ramifications of building free-fall both in the observed event of 9/11 and the larger political context?
"Sometimes it seems to me that the "nuts" are those who hold to what they've been told with an almost religious fervor despite all of the evidence to the contrary - the ones who won't even consider that there was a conspiracy. There are so many anomalies to the "official" investigation that you can't blame it on oversight or incompetence. I am familiar with the scientists and qualified professionals to whom you refer, and their findings are convincing, credible, and presented according to scientific protocol - in stark contrast to the findings of the "official" investigation. In addition, numerous intelligence agents and government officials have now come forward with their very informed opinions that the 911 Commission was a farce at best or a cover-up at worst. My experience at Ground Zero is but one more piece of the puzzle."~ Kurt Sonnenfeldhttp://www.voltairenet.org/article160...
On Twin Towers, Twin Myths?
Posted on October 1 at 11:41 a.m.
Herschel wrote on 9/22:"I am still waiting for ... a coherant motive and means for the "controlled demolition" of the WTC... Why would [they] set off a controlled demolition in two buildings that had already been hit by two airliners? ... Why would they take such a huge risk by planting and then detonating explosives when that would have had no benefit for their dark agenda?"
If the agenda was limited to having justification with massive public support for the invasion of Afghanistan and later Iraq (to achieve goals established by Cheney's secret Energy Task Force) plus liberty-curtailing measures (the USA Patriot Act already written and waiting), you are correct that the hijackings and the jet impacts would have been sufficient.
Your last question implies, though, that the collapse of the towers had no benefit to their agenda.
Turn it around.
What if the chief goals of the day were the destruction of the entire WTC complex, a specific Pentagon wing, and the records stored there? A controlled demolition by itself would too obviously point at insiders for reasons of security access and logistics. Ah, but if you throw in the sensationalism and emotions of commercial aircraft impacts, you've got a somewhat plausible explanation for the initiation of the collapse to divert attention from other subsequent anomalies in how the collapses propagated (down and to WTC-4,5,6,7).
I won't go into details about means, because as soon as the list of perpetrators gets expanded beyond 19 Saudi patsies to include US government insiders, we're immediately talking not just deep pockets but also top-secret weapons and techniques that few citizens were aware of (like nano-thermite). How deep were the pockets? Recall that Rumsfeld said on 9/10 that the Pentagon could not account for $2.3 trillion.
Here's the most comprehensive report I've seen yet to justify 9/11 as an inside job, and thankfully ties in the criminality of former CIA Director G. H. W. Bush as both Vice President (to clueless Reagan) and President.
"[N]ot only were the buildings targets, but ... specific offices within each building were the designated targets. ... [T]he attacks of September 11th were intended to cover-up the clearing of $240 billion dollars in securities covertly created in September 1991 to fund a covert economic war against the Soviet Union, during which 'unknown' western investors bought up much of the Soviet industry, with a focus on oil and gas. The attacks of September 11th also served to derail multiple Federal investigations away from crimes associated with the 1991 covert operation."~ E. P. Heidner
The motives boil down to a cover-up for the Bush I crimes and those of administration supporters (Enron/WorldCom). And to money. On the money front: missing Pentagon funds, clearing of securities, war profiteering, and the shifting of wealth in the downed economy.
On The Elements of a Great Scientific and Technical Dispute
Posted on September 30 at 8:01 a.m.
Sounds like maybe you are in need of Christian Science treatment to give you a healing in your misguided beliefs in the erroneous 9/11 coincidence theories.
Mary Baker Eddy made many references to mathematics to provide readily understood analogies that illustrate the difference between Truth and error.
2+3=5 is a truth; 2+3=4.7 is an error.
The error seems to exist to muck up human plans and designs, but only so long as one believes the error to be true. Once exposed and corrected, the error loses its destructive power and ceases to exist.
The laws of mathematics are divine truths that impartially (and incompletely) reveal God and God's love to his creation. God's children are allowed to discover and employ the laws of mathematics in explaining and predicting our physical world: from the orbits of celestial bodies to the interaction of subatomic particles to create energy and matter, or from the speed of light to the calculus of falling objects.
A 9/11 annotated quote from Jesus:
"And a man's [America's] foes shall be they of his own household [domestic enemies to the Constitution; the Bush Administration and congressional, judicial, and media enablers; those who don't question authority; those who ignore historical precedent of government misconduct]."
A 9/11 annotated quote from Mrs. Eddy:
"Error is a belief [in the government's 9/11 conspiracy theory] without understanding [simple high school physics]. ...
"Belief [that America was attacked by foreigners without insider assistance] produces the results of belief [wars in Afghanistan and Iraq; torture; war profiteering; oil bubbles; real estate bubbles; bank bailouts] ...
"The remedy consists in probing the trouble to the bottom [9/11 is the elephant in the room], in finding [my challenge to you] and casting out by denial the error of belief [perpetrated by commissions, agencies, and their flawed investigations] which produces a mortal disorder [fear; xenophobia; shredding of our Constitution; distrust of government; diminished reputation in the world; angry partisan divisions in society], never honoring erroneous belief [like that the US government would never intentionally hurt US citizens] with the title of law [USA PATRIOT ACT; Military Commission Act] nor yielding obedience to it. ... In Christian Science, a denial of Truth [high school physics applied to 9/11] is fatal, while a just acknowledgment of Truth and of what it has done for us is an effectual help [in setting right our governance]."
More quotes from Mrs. Eddy:
"[I]f evil is uncondemned, it is undenied and nurtured. : When needed tell the truth concerning the lie. Evasion of Truth cripples integrity, and casts thee down from the pinnacle."
"Error is a coward before Truth. Divine Science insists that time will prove all this."
I'm just another Blues Brother on a mission from God. My directives concerning 9/11 were clear. "Feed my sheep."
Posted on September 29 at 4:17 p.m.
Aaaah, Kratatoa. You seem to be a disinformation warrior assigned to this forum.http://www.proparanoid.net/truth.htm
Answer me this:
For the record, free-fall is not a hypothetical, so don't try to weasel out of the question by saying you don't answer hypothetical questions.
Aside from NIST's Final Report on WTC-7 officially stating that 8 stories (100+ feet) of structure fell at gravitational acceleration, any high school student with video player on their PC can scale it appropriately, collect the data, and prove this just like NIST did in their report.
Why would 8 stories of structural resistance SUDDENLY transition into zero resistance to enable free-fall?
Yes, I've seen other "coincidence theorists" mention that (a) a portion of WTC-7 was scooped out from the towers collapse severing 30% of the perimeter columns and (b) fires weakened the steel by 65% of their normal strength.
Even if we accept those assertions at face value (they did come from NIST), the remaining 70% of the perimeter columns plus the remaining interior columns both at 35% their normal strength is a RESISTANCE GREATER THAN ZERO that would have prevented any collapse at gravitational acceleration.
So if additional energy sources weren't involved to push 8 stories of resistive material out of the way of the falling mass to enable the sudden transition into the observed uniform free-fall over these 8 stories that NIST labels stage 2, THEN WHAT HAPPENED?
Was 9/11 was just one big rinky-dink coincidence including the breaking of God's laws of physics?
Or can you step out of your disinformation role, think outside the box and the government's talking points, and answer how 8 stories of material in the path of greatest resistance got turned into zero resistance?
Yep, please answer:
I'm just another Blues Brother on a mission from God. My directives concerning 9/11 were clear. Feed my sheep.
"Though error hides behind a lie and excuses guilt, error cannot forever be concealed. Truth, through her eternal laws, unveils error. Truth causes sin to betray itself, and sets upon error the mark of the beast. Even the disposition to excuse guilt or to conceal it is punished. The avoidance of justice and the denial of truth tend to perpetuate sin, invoke crime, jeopardize self-control, and mock divine mercy."~ Mary Baker Eddy (ca. 1865)
Posted on September 29 at 12:58 p.m.
In answer to Russell, the Office of Naval Intelligence was the only occupant of the re-furbished Pentagon Wing. See link below.
"[N]ot only were the buildings targets, but ... specific offices within each building were the designated targets. ... [T]he attacks of September 11th were intended to cover-up the clearing of $240 billion dollars in securities covertly created in September 1991 to fund a covert economic war against the Soviet Union, during which 'unknown' western investors bought up much of the Soviet industry, with a focus on oil and gas. The attacks of September 11th also served to derail multiple Federal investigations away from crimes associated with the 1991 covert operation.~ E. P. Heidner
The above explains motives. Below, we have evidence of the perpetrator's means.
NIST's Final Report on WTC-7 divides the first 18 stories of collapse into 3 stages. Stage 2 fell 8 stories or 100+ feet at "gravitational acceleration."
The ramifications of free-fall in any stage of collapse in any of the WTC buildings is additional energy sources (like explosives) had to be planted. Therefore the circle of 9/11 conspirators was much larger than 19 hijackers sitting in airplanes and included insiders.
The lack of an explanation for the breaking the laws of physics is admittedly but one piece of evidence of a crime, but it is a glaring one and one that can't be easily covered up by political appointees and discussion thread instigators.
This single free-fall feature brings awareness to the lies, cracks open the door in our nation's collective disbelief, and shuts down the coincidence theorists, who with the eagerness of those cashing government paychecks all too vocally & viciously lump everything about 9/11 -- including the advertising, the lead-up, the execution, the cover-up, and the distasteful follow-up -- as just "unfortunate coincidences."
For further information into this high school physics, http://www.youtube.com/ae911truth
"Perhaps the greatest fantasy of the present moment is that there is a choice here. We can look forward or backward, turn the page on history or not. Don't believe it. History matters."~ Tom Engelhardt
"Truth, through her eternal laws, unveils error. Truth causes sin to betray itself... Even the disposition to excuse guilt or to conceal it is punished. The avoidance of justice and the denial of truth tend to perpetuate sin, invoke crime, jeopardize self-control, and mock divine mercy."~ Mary Baker Eddy (ca. 1865)