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Posted on September 8 at 11:40 p.m.
tabitha and Herschel_Greenspan your comments are truly food for thought.
I believe that your "Stockholm Syndrome" analysis seems pretty accurate. I would add that from my experience, the condition that victims of white supremacy in non-ghettoized environments suffer from seems to be a distinct variant of Stockholm Syndrome.
Once an individual, like myself for example, has stepped significantly away from humble beginnings, into some previously homogenous environment, the fall can be steep.
You can imagine yourself, homeless, ashamed that you have a PhD. You even met the governor once ... etc. But what difference does that make if you can't provide for yourself because you are blackballed in the only field to which your knowledge is applicable.
The nature of our "Stockholm Syndrome" differs from the traditional definition in that it is like being awake and unable to move during a painful operation. You are fully aware of what is being done to you, but you can't move. We are not lost in fantasy and are very aware of the reality of the situation. It does take time recognize the players and tactics in a given situation. Quite a Gordian knot.
A giant step toward ending racism would be legislation forbidding an employer from terminating an employee as the result of a claim of racial discrimination.
A further, necessary, enhancement would be to require monitoring of the claimant's ongoing employment in a legally codified manner. Retaliation is a great concern for victims of racism.
In my experience, Black people at the top of their fields are typically the most qualified, hardworking and experienced. That is the price of admission for Black Americans. These people would likely welcome the vigilance. I know I would. This could have a deterrent affect on gatekeepers' behavior. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
On Racism in America: A Nation in Denial
Posted on September 8 at 6:54 p.m.
I work in corporate America, Mr. Clausen. Intelligent Black people are sometimes employed outside of academia (I noticed your earlier suggestion that i must be an ethnic studies professor. How downright racist of you.). And some of those positions require advanced degrees. I am a scientist. Imagine that?
But good on you for learning your state sanctioned Black history. Dig a little deeper and you might really learn something. :)
Posted on September 8 at 1:02 p.m.
I know BillClausen ... it will take time to let those Google Search Engine results overtake your notion that Al Sharpton is a singular representation of Black intelligence. Sit with it for while ... search for some other notables. I'm sure that in time, you will be fine. LOL
Posted on September 8 at 2:33 a.m.
You guys are starting to bore me. Bill Clausen, contrary to what you apparently believe, Black people can articulate complex thoughts. I know you hate to believe that a Black person can run intellectual circles around you, but it's true.
Maybe you'll rest a little easier tonight if you convince yourself that I'm just an undercover white supremacist. That perspective would certainly help you maintain the world view that education is the key to ending racism. I'm just tired of responding to your inane innuendo and blantant racism. It has become redundant.
And now you're recycling Al Sharpton? Do I need to reiterate the Honey Boo Boo analogy for you? Geez, are you running out of words?
As to stirring up hate, what is the intention behind this statement?:"So keep feeling everyone is racist simply because they don't fall over apologizing, and to Moualim and Herschel, keep deluding yourselves that people such as Much are in awe of your P.C. politics"
Did I ever elicit an apology from you? No, I did not. Nor would it make one difference to me if you did feel inclined to offer an apology. The only apology I will accept is an end to the system of white supremacy.
Hershel didn't ask for an apology, either. He simply pointed up your refusal to offer one, even after this thread had gone way past the point of anyone believing me to be some racist imposter.
I know I can't overcome the indoctrination you been subjected to by Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and American media in general. So, I'm going to leave you to stew in your own psychological excrement. Good luck keeping that skewed world view intact with the burden of what you now know.
Botany, I would go into detail about how you seem to be projecting your own emotions onto me by stating that I am bitter, angry and obsessive, despite my repeated assertions to the contrary. But I understand that your world view must be crumbling from coming into contact with a Black individual of obviously far superior intellect.
Not a racial judgement. I know that there are white people far more intelligent than me, hence the ability to dominate the world while comprising only 10% of the earth's population. But, Botany, let's face it... you're not one of them. Maybe you and Bill Clausen can lean on one another for support during this trying time.
Anyway, I've gone on far longer than i intended to in this, my farewell post. You guys take care. Bill Clausen, you keep making those points! It's been fun. Good bye.
I don't know guys, I'm starting to miss you already. Maybe after a good nights sleep, I'll change my mind and post again. :)
Posted on September 7 at 5:23 p.m.
And since we're apparently not done here, let me go back to the comment you made that prompted my initial post.
"We've gone from Martin Luther King to Al Sharpton. Does that enter into the equation?"
And my response, "And as far as Al Sharpton goes ... you guys don't get to pick who speaks for me, unless and until you acknowledge that I have the power to designate Honey Boo Boo as the official representative for ALL white Americans."
I hate to belabor a point, but what'll be? Oops, I forgot. You're not white. You're a Jewish Mexican Asian (American?). Never mind. :)
Posted on September 7 at 5:08 p.m.
"MustComment, you said one thing that made sense when you spoke of property taxes as it relates to public schools. I've been complaining about that one for years. As far as what I'm doing to fight racism, I'm bringing up points to make people think, and approaching people not on the color of their skin--and not making assumptions about them."
Outstanding! Common ground. Thanks for bringing up those important points. Keep up the good work!
"Also, since you take so much pride in your level of education, and let us all know of it, I would point out that when you have disdain for a certain thing, the proper expression is "*couldn't* care less, not "could" care less."
I told you all of my education because more than one of your comments seemed to suggest that academic success could overcome racism:
" Racism still exists but those formerly denied the right to literacy and education now have that right, and the only way to take on the racists is to become literate and educated to the best of your ability."
Thus, my initial response:
"I, luckily, have learned to read and write. Please see my previous comment regarding gatekeepers."
As for the grammar correction, thanks for that. I'll admit I regretted that mistake after re-reading that comment. But, unfortunately for me, and my credibility as a scholar, I had already clicked on the 'Post comment' button. You can only imagine the agony that I experienced while waiting for the inevitable grammar correction.
Alas, I am not quite as meticulous in my proofreading of article comments as I am in my scholarly work. Thank you for your advice. I will proofread my comments more carefully in the future and aspire to a standard of English usage you can respect.
"By the way, to the best of my knowledge, "my people", did not create the system you hate so much, they were people driven out of their countries who were busy trying to survive in this country, unless you think Jews, Mexican, and Asians are part of that which you claim is keeping "your people" (my emphasis) down."
My apologies. I did not know that you were a self-identified Jewish, Mexican Asian. I stand corrected.
"By the way, doesn't it bother you that a lot of white folks laugh at other white folks who speak in double negatives yet expect it out of black folks? Low expectatations/double standards. THAT bothers me. I talk about that a lot."
No, I am not bothered by what white people find amusing or the constructs and standards which inform their expectations. I only care about equity and justice.
Posted on September 7 at 2:18 p.m.
You are truly speaking of yourself. With all the facts I presented to counter you absurd assertions, you only learned about your own recalcitrant obstinence?
On with my life? With a statement like that, I can only assume you imagine me to be some low-paid, underachieving stereotype that you've dreamed up. If that is the case, you are incorrect.
I actually earn what would be considered an above average salary for any American. Not to mention the profits from my business. It is very likely that I earn more money than you. So in the American sense of the concept, one could say that I am "on with my life". I am not bitter, just delighted to have the opportunity to infringe on your lie-filled, echo chamber of white supremacy. :)
And about those facts you claim to be comfortable with. You're going to need all the relevant facts to surmise the truth. If, for instance, I were only exposed to Honey Boo Boo, I might take my factual observations and draw some pretty unflattering conclusions about white people as a whole.
And lastly, racist actually find solace in the system of white supremacy. I don't think that I can do much to add to that comfort. I can only assume that world domination and preferential treatment must be extremely intoxicating to people who are not interested in justice.
As for ending racism, I can't do that. I didn't create the system. Your people did. You fix it.
Are we done here? LOL
Posted on September 7 at 1:40 p.m.
So... Did you learn anything today, Botany? LOL
Posted on September 7 at 9:53 a.m.
Thank you, EastBeach.
And Botany, truth telling is not the same as bitterness. Though, I can understand how uncomfortable the truth may make you feel.
Posted on September 7 at 9:11 a.m.
Sure. I'll just keep looking to the future and disregard the past. If I had realized that the past has no bearing on the present or future, I wouldn't have bothered to enter into a debt that will take twenty years to pay off just to get an education (I did that in the past). You live and you learn. LOL