Echoes Through Time

Friday, June 14, 2013
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There is nothing new or surprising in what the Pope said.

Maybe the Pope is returning to other or earlier Christian traditions. There is the idea that Jesus redeemed the world, and not just Christians who accept him as their personal Lord and Savior. There is the idea that Jesus descended into and conquered Hell and redeemed even the demons. There is the concept of universalism, of complete human redemption.

These are similar to the concepts of what happened when the Buddha achieved enlightenment.

Unfortunately, Father Virgil Cordano is no longer with us, but he, and many others so adept, could help to explain this.


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Father Guido Sarducci could do it.

But seriously, these concepts of God and even Christ are straight from Greek mythology. It's the same allegories used to teach uneducated (illiterate, barbaric, dumb) people in the desert the basics of spirituality in a way they could understand.
Unless the Indy has a new kindergarten readership I think most readers are ready for more abstract ideas than Jesus descending into a physical Hell and conquering demons as if he were Indiana Jones.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 14, 2013 at 10:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Careful, Ken_Volok. Fools rush in where Balaam's talking donkey feared to tread.

Adonis_Tate (anonymous profile)
June 15, 2013 at 11:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

and we should all fear Balaam's Ass.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
June 15, 2013 at 4:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Osiris (Egyptian) & Dionysus (Greek) were "male, partly human, born of virgins, life-death-rebirth deities and [had] other similar characteristics." (Wikipedia)

Resurrection was non-kosher to Hebrews, because dead bodies were ritually unclean and therefore ineligible to serve as priests. But God "himself" (i.e., not Jesus) had to pull off a big miracle, because the developing narrative of universal Church as new heir to Israel's covenant and indeed its fulfillment, was a weak narrative in need of a decisive supporting myth. (This is according to theologian Burton Mack, if memory serves.) So, a Greek myth had to be hauled in. "Had-eus" corpus?

Both Egypt and Mesopotamia had floods and clay firstpeople in their creation myths, not surprisingly for big-river people. But the ur-religion might have been something like Australian aboriginal dreamtime. Homo erectus survived until a mere 25,000 years ago in nearby Indonesia. Australians kept the face, and altho their brains grew, they're still world's smallest. Research in this area seems to be constrained by politics, judging by sniff test.

I just found out that the prefix ur- comes from Old High German, not Chaldean, ha ha. Too bad the Epics of Gilgamesh weren't included in the Christian canon.We can't have too many stories.

Hey - maybe "dreamtime" persists in modern religions. In a dream, you don't question absurdities too much, you just go with the flow. If you're talking to a woman who's a composite of two former girlfriends, and she morphs into a sea turtle and swims away, well, that was then and this is now. I think believers read the Bible in a dream state.

Does "saved" mean "spared from the fate of the masses"? That might explain why universalism is so widely shunned. People want to be God's pets. Someone in the United Church of Christ informed me that "UCC" is sometimes called "Unitarians Contemplating Christianity," presumably by the heaven-bound.

Adonis_Tate (anonymous profile)
June 16, 2013 at 1:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"So, a Greek myth had to be hauled in. "Had-eus" corpus?"
Haydee';s corpus? I couldn't resist that play on words. Nothing kinky or bizarre intended.

I just found out I missed your Mom's 85th yesterday. Wish I'd been there.

(Don't anyone try to figure this out, it's inner-sanctum between Adonis and I)

billclausen (anonymous profile)
June 16, 2013 at 3:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I missed it too, Bill (exhaustion). Your bff MML was there.

Adonis_Tate (anonymous profile)
June 17, 2013 at 8:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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