Ads Reflect the Advertised

FYI: this 23-second video shows Capps' ad and how deceptive it was:

[VIDEO - 00:23] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjlhu...

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'Lois Capps — Empowering War and Domestic Tyranny Since 1998'
http://www.noozhawk.com/article/john_...

Bob, welcome to the grubercrat era. Skilled lying is now a progressive value.

Don't blame Nick, he is in tune with the times.

Don't act like you pay attention to politics if you are indeed surprised by this.

No, Bob, that ad was not as Rovish as it was Carvillish. But wait!! There's more!! Look for similar BS from "Ragin' Cajun" James Carville as the Billary campaign gets further along down the road.

Native, if you're going to call out the people responsible for the underbelly of American politics, at least be accurate.

It was Ailes who pioneered and perfected this stuff. And it was Atwater who pushed it to its legal limits. Both of which were GOP operatives. Carville pushed back and at least gave these folks a run for their money...

I think you misspelled that word, Sam--his name is Saul Alinsky, not Ailes. All these radicals in government today are Alinskyites:

"The judgement of the ethics of means is dependent upon the political position of those sitting in judgement (Alinsky 1972: 26-9).

In other words, they don't care what you think you think, "shut up and sit down" is their mantra.

Um, no Native, its you who is mistaken. His name is Roger Ailes perhaps you've heard of him?

Yeah, I know who he is, but he ain't what you think.

" I quit politics because I hated it." Roger Ailes

Once again you're jumping off the proverbial cliff.

Native, you have no idea what I know of or about Ailes. But if you're interested in him and his colorful life you can read his biography The Loudest Voice in the Room. Its a good read, if you read.

All of which dodges the issue of who wrote the obviously flawed ad for Mrs. Capps; but that doesn't matter, either, because she endorsed it. Which means she's deceptive at least and a liar at worst.

A wise old man once said: "If you're ever going into politics, say goodbye to all your friends".

Alinsky's Rules For Radicals #5:

"Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage."

http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/commun...

the only reason I've responded to tabatha's and DrDan's ad homs; people here don't appear to be aware of this context

Example from the chief Alinskyite himself re the AGW-scam
https://stevengoddard.files.wordpress...

real climate data for reference:
http://theclimatescepticsparty.blogsp...

Well lets balance this one with the Ailes ideal that repetition is more important than accuracy. That if you repeat something often enough, people believe it to be fact.

Pretty much sums up Fox News over the last decade + doesnt it?

thanks for referring to me, 14, but no ad homs on this thread, dude, you're reading things that don't exist, but then that's your trip with the climate data: your man Dr. Soon is a fraud, too.
We don't need Saul Alinsky, OR Roger Ailes, to know that ridicule is a potent weapon, especially against tyrants and other blowhards. Brecht knew this as well as countless other great writers.

Like Lois Capps, this discussion is going nowhere fast. ;-).

But 'Santa Barbara View' needs some love, and perhaps some might enjoy discussing a brief item posted four hours ago by Ernie Salomon comparing PODER with German NAZIS:

'Similarities Are Uncanny'
http://www.santabarbaraview.com/simil...

Excerpts:

"I was living in Rheine, Germany, when a group of Nazi thugs stormed into a restaurant, terrorized the owners and their employees, and intimidated their customers, telling them that they should not patronize the restaurant...

"The owners were so frightened for their safety and the safety of their staff and patrons that they called the police.

"The police made no arrests, the city council did nothing and the district attorney did nothing.

"I was living in Santa Barbara when a group of PODER thugs stormed into a restaurant, terrorized the owners and their employees, and intimidated their customers, telling them that they should not patronize the restaurant…"

That story is completely uncredible Tieber.

A little bit of a stretch dont you think John? PODER are idiots but they're not dangerous. Just stupid and misguided.

Nazi's were dangerous from the get go. I do not fear a group of misguided kids, but I do fear the police and their abusive and overtly violent nature which has been brewing and building for years.

JT way over the top as usual! uncredible, indeed. Read up on the Kristallnacht.

DrDan Thanks!! for the ad homs; beyond stereotype, more like a characterization of a stereotypical fact-free regurgitation of Alinsky ideology; just your usual comment, though.

KV, ST, DD - All 3 of you missed the quotes on John Tieber's repost of Santa Barbara View's comment by Ernie Salomon?

14noscams:

Thanks.

Also apparently missed my entire second paragraph, which clearly does NOT even hint anything of my views of this, only that some might enjoy a *discussion* there:

"But 'Santa Barbara View' needs some love, and perhaps some might enjoy discussing a brief item posted four hours ago by Ernie Salomon comparing PODER with German NAZIS..."

Tieber pretty much copied and pasted from SBV which in itself credits no writer other than editor. Where is the police report? How is it known the individuals in question even know of PODER if this happened? In addition there are no comments on that article.

John_Tieber - After reading the responses to your quote, I have a much better understanding of some commenters' need for strawmen; it's much closer to an autonomous reaction than a result of conscious thinking than I realized.

No it's called critical thinking, and not jumping down every rabbit hole that comes along.

PS I don't think the INDY pays for bandwith to give other news enterprises "love". In addition by copying and pasting their entire article you've violated SB View's copyright, far beyond "Fair Use".

Too bad about that first sentence — ;-) :

"Like Lois Capps, this discussion is going nowhere fast. ;-)."

Who knew that a simple bit of humor would unleash six comments of craziness (FOUR from one commenter) in 49 minutes from participants whose reading comprehension skills must be nearly sub-human.

Tieber, you've become a real bore of a boor.

oh, Johnny, such a nasty ad hom calling me someone "whose reading comprehension skills must be nearly sub-human[.]", this is really gonna make 14 feel bad, cause those ad homs really disturb him. Wait till dp14 gets involved...

I think Dr.Dans reading skills are fine. Perhaps he falls prey to his emotions, being the passionate sort that he is, which may color his ability to be objective, but are we not all guilty of that from time to time?

dolphinpod14:

Good point.

That particular outburst did strike me, though, as even crazier than most — but perhaps because it was more concentrated and provoked by literally nothing at all.

Such a poor misunderstood child.

So why such a glacial reaction time? These ads weren't broadcast last week, they were shown Oct/Nov.? Does it really take Mitchum a three plus months to react and formulate a response? If so he's slower than all of Congress put together.. Why wasn't he upset then? Why didn't the writer send a letter back then?

I did miss the rest of your post John. Ernie sure is a pathetic old codger isnt he? His time has long since past and yet he still tries. Got to give him that...

But let this be a lesson to you John. Understand your medium and never blame the audience.

"Understand your medium and never blame the audience."

Good point.

Other than very occasionally at other sites, I only engage regularly in discussions at three sites besides this one:

'ZeroHedge'
http://www.zerohedge.com/

'The Vineyard of the Saker'
http://thesaker.is/

'Noozhawk'
http://www.noozhawk.com/

Explosions of childishness are extremely rare at all three sites above, so it's difficult to remember that one must take such potential antics into account before even posting something humorous here.

What was funny about that post? It's just agitprop.

Regarding "What was funny about that post? It's just agitprop.":

Apparently, even after explanation by two people here, the punctuation of that comment is too subtle for some to grasp.

No I don't think your continued hijacking of threads is at all humorous, just kinda sad.

One thing we can all agree upon is that our "nicest member of Congress" made a big mistake in approving that sleazy attack ad. Why didn't she spend more airtime on her ad exposing Mitchum as the Tea Party know nothing he really is?
Mitchum seems to have missed the GOP's constant bleating regarding tort litigation reform. May he end up on the same trash pile of washed up, litigation happy candidates with Steve Pappas.
BTW Pappas, have you repaid Supervisor Farr yet?

agree geebs that Lois screwed up, but Mitchum's the greater fool who would be annihilated in D.C., he can't even get whipped in a Congressional election without whining and suing...poor boy!

Lois NEVER makes mistakes.
She runs a tight and accountable fiscal office.
She does background checks on employees that utilize public vehicles on a daily basis.
She has NEVER lied in a advertisement.
She has never stated that she would not run for office over and over and over and over again.
She also was a nurse and Walter's wife.

Leave this brilliant and honest public servant alone

Regarding "...but Mitchum's the greater fool who would be annihilated in D.C...":

Yes, but setting aside whatever useful constituent services for this district (of which I'm not knowledgeable) that Capps might provide when she can spare time from supporting endless illegal wars and domestic tyranny such as renewal of PATRIOT Acts and the NDAA (as long as the jackass [D] gang holds the executive branch, of course), I wonder whether getting annihilated in DC is any worse than getting "the nicest member in all of congress" award for applauding herself applauding passage of legislation she supports but had little or nothing to do with and staging photo ops at Carpinteria flower greenhouses.

But regardless, did the closeness of the race encourage the elephant gang [R] to run a stronger candidate next time (assuming it can find one, which one might not want to assume) against the jackass gang [D], regardless of whether Capps or some other jackass runs next time?

One of the problems is the fear of voters that someone different than the one to whom they have become accustomed will do something even worse than the one before.

Adlai Stevenson said it best: "In America, anyone can become president. That's one of the risks you take." That applies to all elected officials.