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Posted on July 6 at 7:47 p.m.
So based on Santabarbarasand comments should the police search the twenty something crowd downtown for dressing provacativly because they might be prostitutes?
Get real! It is unreasonable to expect that law enforcement in the course of there job, are going to be able to target this population without laws that allow them to do so.
Posted on March 16 at 12:48 a.m.
sevendolphins....
Yeah and you should stomp your feet and hold your breath until the world can all just get along. Corruption, greed, scandal isn't that what all government officials are really about. I think the Attorney General is in it with the SBSO and would probably cover it up also. (Dripping in sarcasm)...
Perhaps with your insight and tactical superiority you would offer to teach at the local academies. Perhaps submit your theories to POST and change the curriculum all together.
By the way, you have shared a lot about the Deputies and their roles and responsibilities. Do you have any thoughts on the obligations of the man who was shot? (And I phrase it that way out of respect for his family).
Posted on March 11 at 7:24 p.m.
Just to clarify the term "crazed old man" was one used by sevendolphins in post dated March 9. It has since been used in quotes.
I too agree that regardless of circumstances this man was a human being and his medical condition was unfortunate as were the actions he took.
I am glad that you can determine that deputies made a "mistake" before the DA or the department has finalized their investigation.
Maybe you should call them and tell them you can save them the trouble of an investigation.
"Persecution hair trigger"...interesting since you have already drawn your own persecutory opinions about the deputies' mistakes.
Posted on March 10 at 11:39 p.m.
sevendolphins,
Hmmmm...not quite sure how to respond since yours seems to be the only opinion that matters and you aren't willing to have a dialogue about this matter. True I can't argue about opinions and if those are your opinions you are very much entitled to them. However, if we were to dispute facts like one of your previous posts wanted to do, then I think you are mistaken on a few points.
You mention that the man was only a threat to himself by waiving the gun around once the wife was safe. If a person wants to kill themselves who do you think gets called first? Especially if their desired method is to shoot themselves? Medics, Fire, MHAT, SAFETY, or any other organization is not going to be the first to contact a suicidal subject with a gun. MHAT doesn't even take people that have been drinking let alone speak to a person holding a gun.
You asked other posters if they were there and how do they know (as to the events that transpired) yet you state that the Deputies stood in full view. Were YOU there? How do you know they were in full view? Do you know the difference between "cover" and "concealment?" Do you know if there was anything that constitutes "cover" in the backyard of their home?
And this was great...You said the Deputies should have gone for cover when they saw the gun was unloaded. How could anyone have seen that the gun was unloaded? Do you know what kind of gun it was? How do you tell if a magazine is loaded unless you can see inside the magazine. Not to mention if a gun is unloaded why would they go for cover since it cannot fire? Why would they have then used less than lethal force? Point being...YOU DON'T KNOW.
Knowing and opinions are two different things and if you think cops are the worst thing ever then so be it. It is your right (courtesy of the military). You comments go further than just being opinions you are trying to present facts. State your opinions as such "It is my opinion....I think....I believe....If I were to do it I would try this..."
Posted on March 10 at 8:21 a.m.
Guess my thouhgtful comments were wasited. Clearly you are the expert on all. I won't spend as much time crafting my response since it seems waisted.
"The deputies lives were so valuable that they should not have been anywhere open to shooting by the crazed old man."
Could you imagine if patrol deputies and police officers around the nation hid everytime there was a "crazed old man" with a gun??? That is just a silly silly remark, actually I find solice because now you have lost credibility in any of your opinion.
Like I said previously, why don't you do the job? Not sure you'd pass the psych eval.
"They'll be second guessed for the rest of their careers as peace officers, and they'll be way happier in a different line of work. "
Second guessed by who? I won't give it a second thought and neither will their peers. The only people second guessing are those that at one time or another will need them and be glad they were there.
I am certain these deputies could find jobs elsewhere, probably ones that pay 2x as much. The problem is they are deputies, it is a calling and takes an extraordinary man or woman to do the job.
Posted on March 9 at 1:34 p.m.
...continued...
So lets get back to police tactics since that is what you seem to question the most.
"I think the deputies lost their cool, and I bet if they had had a more senior officer with them, nobody would be dead right now."...Which part of their actions lead you to believe they lost their cool? Was it the amount of shots fired? Ok I can see how a novice would think that, but then lets call it what it is in your post. My novice opinion...my amateur assumption is...they lost their cool. Even if you had been in the military the rules of engagement for soldiers vs. law enforcement are different and so this (incident) should be viewed as if we were/are officers (putting ourselves in their shoes).
I"'m not comfortable with the thought of inexperienced deputies shooting 11 shots in residential neighborhoods at 8am. I think they'd do better in a different profession."...Which profession do seem the suited for? Are you willing to take their place and put yourself in harms way?
" I don't think they are malicious. Just unprofessional. And if they stay with the force, they won't get that they might have done something wrong."...Isn't the rightness and wrongness of their actions up to the DA and the Sheriff's Department? Yet you seem to be willing to judge them in this court of public opinion.
Here is a slightly different perspective. How horrible is it that a man was overcome with an illness that caused him to loose bearing and the only outlet he felt he had was to contemplate suicide. His pain was so bad that ending his life equated ending his pain yet he couldn't do it himself. So he knows enough that officers could use deadly force if compelled to do so. And in complete desperation he forces the officers to shoot him, end his pain, ending his life. Now he puts these officers through an emotional ringer. They must process what they have done, what he forced them to do, they must deal with the insensitive opinions of non expert commentators, they have to deal with the nightmares, the emotional withdrawl from their own wives, girlfriends, significant others, children, etc....
This may or may not be how it actually went down but it is a different viewpoint.
Posted on March 9 at 1:32 p.m.
Binnsb4tyrs...
With regards to your opinionated post...If you are the wrong individual to ask if police did the right thing then why do you feel the need to share? If you want to just use this platform to tell other readers that you had a bad experience with officers, ok so be it. I don't quite see the parrallels between your experience and the shooting. I get that you feel the officers who you encountered were not understanding enough but this is a pretty specific tactical scenario and not quite the same as a use of force with handcuffs.
Now sevendolphins....
Since you are presenting yourself as the expert here on this blog will you please clarify a few omissions and presuppositions in your posts?
"But those deputies didn't have much experience between them either"...How long does it take for a Deputy to have enough experience in your mind to use deadly force?
"and 11 shots is a lot to fire in a residential area at 8am. That is reality."...11 shots is only three shots for one officer and four shots for the other two, assuming all fired. How many shots are appropriate? Are you a watcher of Walker Texas Ranger and perhaps you beleive the officers could just have kicked it out of his hand? What difference does the time have? If you are concerned about the neighborhood because of who could have been in the line of fire, then doesn't it speak of the Deputies training that no one other than the person presenting a deadly threat was hurt? No wild overspray of bullets, no other injuries, they (Deputies) saw the threat responded to that specific threat and it (the threat) was neutralized. And no doubt this is overall a horrible tradgedy and one person lost their life, his widow must live with that loss, and three deputies and their families must deal with the grief of being forced to kill another person.
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Posted on March 9 at 8:30 a.m.
Get off your soap boxes. I don't see how time of day has any relevance as to whether those deputies lives were threatened. What would you say to those deputies' families had the gunman fired first and the result been "gunman kills deputy".
Those men and women put their lives on the line each and every day they go to work. Preparing that entire time and hoping never to face a day like Thursday.
Second guess the situation all you want. Until you have been in that situation analyse but try not to judge and spread falsehoods and insult to the men and women who would show up to your house to protect you if you dailed 911.
I get that the readership of the independent is a liberal audience and you are each entitled to your opinion.
But let's get realistic. Police show up, man points gun at police, police fear for their lives and the lives of others, they have no choice but to fire.
The backstory will always have emotional aspects. The circumstances are tragic and unfortunate however that doesn't negate that a gun was held to officers.
People don't get shot by walking across the yard unless they present deadly force.
At least make educated comments.
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Posted on July 7 at 7:36 p.m.
Well Kudos to Mayor Blum who said on KEYT that we need "more indicents quicker" in order for her to support a gang injunction.
I would like her to let us know how many more kids needs to be killed before her definition of "more and quicker" are met.
What reason is there to every oppose a gang injunction.
Then again she called it a rumble...how does a person like this become mayor?
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