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Posted on April 18 at 11:09 p.m.

Incoherence? JJ, you are the one who:

1)Makes no case that Montecito schools should receive $22,000/student while Santa Barbara schools get $7,800/student. Nothing to do with teacher's salaries.

2)Have no W2 data outside of California, so you have no support whatsoever for claiming that California teachers are overpaid.

3)Claims California student outcomes are bad, but you make no correction for the huge portion of english learners in California, and no correction for the 34% larger class sizes in California relative to the rest of the US.

4)Makes wild comparisons of California teachers salaries to people who are a)unemployed; b)undocumented (all rolled up into the sample used to compute your $27,519/year).

On School Basics

Posted on April 18 at 10:15 p.m.

More misdirection. Why do Montecito kids need $22,400 a year of public support while Santa Barbara kids need only $7,800 a year?

Huh? Can't hear you Jarvis.

Looks like you don't have W2 data for any state from California, and you argue that W2 data is crucial.

Conclusion: according to you, we know nothing about California teacher compensation relative to other states.

Why don't California data on student outcomes have to be corrected for: 1)The huge fraction of English learners relative to other states, 2)the large class sizes (34% larger) in California?

Can't hear you JaJa. Your silence is deafening, ouch, ouch, should have worn my old percussion bomb protective gear over my ears.

So touching to learn you view the undocumented as Americans, by including them in your calculation of $27,519 annual pay per American.

On School Basics

Posted on April 18 at 4:58 p.m.

And 7 school districts did file for race to the top funding.

Governor Brown, not teachers, stopped it with his refusal to sign the filings.

If JarvisJarvis writes it, it is pretty sure to be not a fact.

On School Basics

Posted on April 18 at 4:47 p.m.

More wank from Jarvis... California ranks #4 in salary, not #1, page 19 of

and indeed 1,2, & 3 are New York, Washington DC, & Mass, high cost of living states.

Note that California teachers have on average 21.3 students each; in New York, they have 12.8; in Washington DC 12.3 students each, and in Mass, they have 13.5 students each.

And guess what: teachers don't make immigration policy! JarvisJarvis is showing that he is incapable of logical thinking again. Why not criticize those who failed to enforce policy rather than a random splooge on teachers, visJar?

Mainly teachers have to cope with the mess others have made, and JarvisJarvis is so illogical he cannot admit that the >50% of elementary schools students who know little English drag scores down. Logic escapes visJar. Not to mention that California teachers have classes with 34% more students than the US average.

All of which distracts from the main point of Orfalea, which visJar never comes to grips with: Montecito Union gets three times more funding per elementary student than is typical in this state, due to the Basic Aid system. The disparities like that skew all averages, and give a long, low tail to California performance.

What would be truly useful is to compare apples to apples: pick California school districts where the class sizes are 15 like the rest of the US, and the expenditures (corrected for cost of living) are comparable to the rest of the US, where the mastery of English is similar, and then compare.

Way too advanced logic for someone as incapable of fact-based thinking as visJar.

On School Basics

Posted on April 18 at 11:06 a.m.

More useless salary comparisons from JarvisJarvis... as if the cost of living in Elko Nevada or or Yazoo City Mississippi were directly comparable to the cost of living where California's population centers. More privates flapping in the breeze.

And more wank about student performance. California has the greatest number undocumented students in the nation, and the academic rankings reflect that fact. More than 50% of elementary school students in California are not fluent in English. If you don't correct for that your rankings are useless.

Note the CalFacts omits statement is totally squishy about higher income students... if two other states in the US have high income students who outperform California, the statement is correct. Useless wank.

And of course he tries to steer discussion about the vast inequities in per student spending created by the Basic Aid system in California. That is why Montecito gets $22,000 per elementary student, triple what is typical in other school districts.

On School Basics

Posted on April 15 at 9:07 p.m.

Natch, California public school performance is dragged down by the undocumented who spend the first 4 years just mastering english. More undocumented in California than any other state; anyone who uses comparisons of California student outcomes with those of states with no undocumented, like JarvisJarvis does, are just flapping their privates in the breeze.

Again, it doesn't matter what the compensation is in absence of comparison with the cost of living. Comparing compensation in rural Alabama with compensation in San Francisco or Santa Barbara is a useless comparison. JarvisJarvis makes that comparison which mainly shows his ignorance.

No evidence, billclausen, that the quantity of extra money available for English learners is sufficient to meet the need.

DavyBrown, California public school funding is not based upon any sensible need formula. If the school district has enough property tax in it to exceed a state minimum, all extra stays in the district (the Basic Aid system). If the school district is below the minimum, the State brings the district up to the minimum. The politicians you voted for installed this system years ago, and any attempt to change it is met with wild opposition by places like Montecito.

Again, Isla Vista is a big, big exporter of $ to Goleta schools... but you never hear a word of thanks for that.

On School Basics

Posted on April 15 at 6:15 p.m.

JarvisJarvis has trouble with the whole truth, as his silence on the huge costs of military pensions have underscored.

School districts containing lots of property, whether homes (Montecito) or oil refining plants (Vista del Mar) get lots more money to spend on schools, independent of how many students go to those schools.

Isla Vista property is actually more valuable per acre than Montecito, and very few elementary school students live in Isla Vista. But all the IV property tax gets shared out into Goleta, which is part of the reason Goleta Union is nearly $10,000 per student, rather than $8,000 per student.

Isla Vista would do well to severe from the Goleta Union School District.

Seems to me California's education system is ranked #27:

Seems to me teachers have to deal with the children of the undocumented, but JarvisJarvis won't ever acknowledge that the children of the undocumented drag test scores down.

Look at places like Lowell High School in SF and you see the high end of the California public schools is quite excellent.

As for pay, California is not a cheap place. Of course Alabama has lower salaries. What matters is compensation relative to cost of living. Whoops JarvisJarvis, your pants are on fire again. But you have nothing to burn down there, so no big deal.

On School Basics

Posted on April 13 at 11:46 a.m.

JarvisJarvis, your pension data is remarkable propaganda.

Not a single mention of double-dippers where one dip comes from the **US Military Pensions**. I guess double-dipping is fine as long as the first dip comes from the very expensive pay-as-you-go (with no accounting or computation of debt or any invested pension fund) US Military Pensions, where you can retire at age 37 with full benefits.

The `CalWatchDog' is sleeping on that segment of the pension crisis. Not to mention Tricare. And the fact that all the public pensions and healthcare got out of hand because they based themselves on US Military Pensions and healthcare.

In any case, Mrs. Capps receives no pension from CalPERS, the only system in California that is truly `state-backed'. CalPERS dictates to the State its yearly contributions.

CalSTRS does not have that power, and is in crisis right now. The Legislature and Governor could refuse to cover the CalSTRS deficit if they want.

UCRP already has been told multiple times by the Legislature and the Governor that the UCRP deficit will *not* be covered by the State. In fact the State stopped contributing altogether to UCRP in 1991... a fact CalWatchDog fell asleep on. Recently the State has contributed a little to the UCRP, but there is absolutely no guarantee or agreement to cover UCRP's deficit.

In the end, way too generous pensions where guaranteed throughout California's public sector. But I can't say CalWatchDog was accurate in its listed or portrayal... a hatchet job.

On Capps Announces She Won't Seek Reelection

Posted on April 7 at 7:40 p.m.

blah etc, but you are overlooking something... if the Sheriff makes a unilateral decision without any consultation with the CHP and UCSB Chief, and within a clear area of CHP and UCSB expertise, why should the CHP and UCSB Chief continue to contribute resources to the Foot Patrol? Put another way, if the Sheriff want to unilaterally call the shots, Santa Barbara County should pay completely for the cost of the CHP and UCSB officers; the CHP and UCSB should not have to contribute a dime of the cost.

Remember, a year ago at this time, the Sheriff was in an election battle. I don't defend the idiotic behavior at last year's Deltopia, but I also don't think clearing the streets was a decision that was intelligent. And it certainly appeared to me that the Sheriff was playing for votes in the rest of the County by deciding to clear the streets... if he had at least sought opinions from the CHP and the UCSB Police, the appearance of using IV for votes would be much reduced.

As more and more information has emerged in the Desmond Edwards trial, the `clear the streets' decision looks worse and worse. In fact there is no eyewitness nor one video from the many video cameras that backs the Sheriff's story about Edwards. Edwards may well be guilty but the lack of evidence allows quite reasonable doubt.

Chris Newfield wrote some good columns on last year's Deltopia:

On Deltopia Not a Disaster

Posted on April 6 at 6:53 p.m.

Who is lucas?

On Deltopia Not a Disaster

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