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Posted on April 20 at 9:14 p.m.

Great, if money does not buy educational quality, go convince the Montecito Union School district of that, and convince them to transfer the excess $14,600 they have per student out of the district.

Your logic will be impeccable. Go for it, JarvisJarvis. If they refuse, say they are promulgating petty class warfare, that the rich deserve more money for worse outcomes.

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Posted on April 20 at 9:06 p.m.

Of course, JarvisJarvis probably would say any story about Centinela Valley Unified School District Superintendent Jose Fernandez, who got paid $663,000 + pension benefits on the public dime, is just petty class warfare.

JarvisJarvis would probably say, `Why does Rob Kuznia hate America, where high salary is the mark of enterprise and success?'

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Posted on April 20 at 3:34 p.m.

Montecito *public* Elementery school: $22,300/student/year (sticking with Orfalea numbers, JarvisJarvis has a terrible record)

Santa Barbara *public* Elementery school: $7,800/student/year

JarvisJarvis: any discussion of this discrepancy is `petty class warfare.'

You've conceded, JarvisJarvis.

BTW, did you notice that in the most reason SB County Math Superbowl, Montecito Union 4th & 6th graders did worse than...

kids from **ISLA VISTA** elementary school.

Aww... spend 2-3X more per student in Montecito, get worse outcomes.

And trying to discuss these issues, according to JarvisJarvis, is `petty class warfare.'

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Posted on April 20 at 9:48 a.m.

2/58 for pedestrians 14 and younger, I think... not as bad for all pedestrians. But great webpage. Looks like SB County is 3/58 for cyclists.

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Posted on April 20 at 3:42 a.m.

Explaining how the basic aid system which gives MUS $22,000/student and SB $7,800/student works is not justifying whether it is right or wrong.

Explaining how Jim Crow or apartheid works is not justifying how it is right or wrong.

Do we spend 3X more on Sheriff's services in Montecito? APCD services? Mosquito Abatement services? MTD services? Is 3X more spent on anti-missile defense for Montecito, or for combatting terrorism?

If bubonic plague breaks out in Santa Barbara, do we say, nope, the property taxes must stay in Montecito, less property tax is available for bubonic plague abatement in Santa Barbara? Or, if a wildfire breaks out in Santa Barbara, do we say, nope, property tax isn't available to fight it, wait tell it gets to Montecito?

If not for those, why do we do so for elementary education? Don't poorly educated students cause common harm across the entire community, independent of boundary?

Why don't we put the expenditures per student next to each school's performance in, say, the Math Decathlon? Let everyone know in every possible forum what each school gets per student, all the time. Require that instead of the `A California Distinguished School' signs, post `This school spends public funds of $22,000/student, over 3 times the typical expenditure of public funds in California'.

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Posted on April 18 at 11:09 p.m.

Incoherence? JJ, you are the one who:

1)Makes no case that Montecito schools should receive $22,000/student while Santa Barbara schools get $7,800/student. Nothing to do with teacher's salaries.

2)Have no W2 data outside of California, so you have no support whatsoever for claiming that California teachers are overpaid.

3)Claims California student outcomes are bad, but you make no correction for the huge portion of english learners in California, and no correction for the 34% larger class sizes in California relative to the rest of the US.

4)Makes wild comparisons of California teachers salaries to people who are a)unemployed; b)undocumented (all rolled up into the sample used to compute your $27,519/year).

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Posted on April 18 at 10:15 p.m.

More misdirection. Why do Montecito kids need $22,400 a year of public support while Santa Barbara kids need only $7,800 a year?

Huh? Can't hear you Jarvis.

Looks like you don't have W2 data for any state from California, and you argue that W2 data is crucial.

Conclusion: according to you, we know nothing about California teacher compensation relative to other states.

Why don't California data on student outcomes have to be corrected for: 1)The huge fraction of English learners relative to other states, 2)the large class sizes (34% larger) in California?

Can't hear you JaJa. Your silence is deafening, ouch, ouch, should have worn my old percussion bomb protective gear over my ears.

So touching to learn you view the undocumented as Americans, by including them in your calculation of $27,519 annual pay per American.

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Posted on April 18 at 4:58 p.m.

And 7 school districts did file for race to the top funding.

Governor Brown, not teachers, stopped it with his refusal to sign the filings.

If JarvisJarvis writes it, it is pretty sure to be not a fact.

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Posted on April 18 at 4:47 p.m.

More wank from Jarvis... California ranks #4 in salary, not #1, page 19 of http://www.nea.org/assets/docs/NEA_Ra...

and indeed 1,2, & 3 are New York, Washington DC, & Mass, high cost of living states.

Note that California teachers have on average 21.3 students each; in New York, they have 12.8; in Washington DC 12.3 students each, and in Mass, they have 13.5 students each.

And guess what: teachers don't make immigration policy! JarvisJarvis is showing that he is incapable of logical thinking again. Why not criticize those who failed to enforce policy rather than a random splooge on teachers, visJar?

Mainly teachers have to cope with the mess others have made, and JarvisJarvis is so illogical he cannot admit that the >50% of elementary schools students who know little English drag scores down. Logic escapes visJar. Not to mention that California teachers have classes with 34% more students than the US average.

All of which distracts from the main point of Orfalea, which visJar never comes to grips with: Montecito Union gets three times more funding per elementary student than is typical in this state, due to the Basic Aid system. The disparities like that skew all averages, and give a long, low tail to California performance.

What would be truly useful is to compare apples to apples: pick California school districts where the class sizes are 15 like the rest of the US, and the expenditures (corrected for cost of living) are comparable to the rest of the US, where the mastery of English is similar, and then compare.

Way too advanced logic for someone as incapable of fact-based thinking as visJar.

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Posted on April 18 at 11:06 a.m.

More useless salary comparisons from JarvisJarvis... as if the cost of living in Elko Nevada or or Yazoo City Mississippi were directly comparable to the cost of living where California's population centers. More privates flapping in the breeze.

And more wank about student performance. California has the greatest number undocumented students in the nation, and the academic rankings reflect that fact. More than 50% of elementary school students in California are not fluent in English. If you don't correct for that your rankings are useless.

Note the CalFacts omits statement is totally squishy about higher income students... if two other states in the US have high income students who outperform California, the statement is correct. Useless wank.

And of course he tries to steer discussion about the vast inequities in per student spending created by the Basic Aid system in California. That is why Montecito gets $22,000 per elementary student, triple what is typical in other school districts.

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