There was a conspicuous dearth of legal fireworks or rhetorical pyrotechnics during the first courtroom “clash” over the City of Santa Barbara’s proposed gang injunction, first unveiled several months ago. So muted and opaque were the issues on the table that observers who did not know what was going on would have been none the wiser for having been in attendance. (To the extent there was any drama, it came in the form of the unusually thorough searches of those attending the proceedings. Bags were rifled, wallets opened, and even socks were checked. Given that a number of those in attendance sported large gang tattoos and dressed in attire associated with gang members, such security precautions were to be expected.)
Most of the discussion was of a highly procedural nature, as Judge James Brown explained his game plan for dealing with could easily become a somewhat unwieldy logistical challenge given the number of individuals — 30 — involved. While the legal matters are relatively straightforward, Brown said, the numbers and some of the evidentiary concerns could put the case on par with a class action lawsuit or a construction defect case.
The big issue not under discussion was what role information gleaned from juvenile records would and could play in making the case that 30 adult gang members, deemed “the baddest of the bad” by Santa Barbara police and prosecutors, should have their legal right to congregate where and with whom they please seriously curtailed. Five defense attorneys — representing roughly half the alleged gang members named in the injunction complaint — filed legal action, challenging the validity of City Hall’s claims, arguing that much of the supporting documentation provided came from juvenile court records.
By law, juvenile records are off limits. City Attorney Steve Wiley commented during a brief courtroom conversation that city police files — separate and independent of anything that might be in juvenile court records — contain a bounty of incriminatory information about the individuals named in the motion for injunctive relief. He expressed confidence that the gang injunction could survive this legal challenge. Judge Brown declined to rule on the merits of the defense claims, but rather has given Wiley — as well prosecutor Hilary Dozer — an opportunity to amend their initial complaints to demonstrate that they did not rely upon information from juvenile court files. Because juvenile records are not public, Brown’s ruling on the matter was not posted on the court tentative ruling Web site, but rather delivered personally to the defense attorneys representing those alleged gang members who’ve been able to obtain legal representation.
While much of the activity that’s given rise to the proposed injunction is criminal in nature, a gang injunction itself is a civil, not criminal, matter. That distinction is significant because individuals named in civil matters do not have the right to legal counsel if they can’t afford an attorney of their own and the court will not appoint one. In fact, Judge Brown has already rejected such a request for appointment by one of the alleged gang members named in the city’s injunction. Even so, many of those named in the injunction have managed to secure legal representation from a handful of some of the best-known criminal defense attorneys in town. What kind of payments, if any, those named will be expected to pay is not clear, but at least one of the defense attorneys took on her client for free. The defense, in addition to arguing that the injunction is simply too broad, will attempt to prove many of their clients, to the extent they were gang members, have moved away from that lifestyle and are now leading law-abiding lives.
The proposed injunction was announced earlier this year, not long after a number of well-publicized killings that involved gang members either stabbing or beating to death non-gang members. Prior to that, Santa Barbara Police Chief Cam Sanchez had resisted mounting political pressure to initiate an injunction. Injunctions remain extremely controversial. From a practical consideration, they’re labor intensive to administer and enforce and few have been crafted with such precision and sensitivity that civil libertarians have not objected. One thing’s for certain: whatever tactical advantage — and political benefit — might accrue from Santa Barbara’s proposal won’t be materializing anytime soon. And certainly not this summer. Wiley said the soonest the city could apply for a preliminary injunction is late September or early October. Four people named in the injunction have filed for opt-out requests, explained Wiley, arguing they’re no longer gang members. Three of them are in state prison and one is in County Jail.
The next hearing before Judge Brown on the gang injunction has been scheduled for August 31. In the meantime, City Hall and the DA’s office have made it clear they plan to begin pushing for a temporary injunction in the weeks ahead as the permanent injunction slowly wends its way through the civil courts.



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So tell us again, Camerino and Joyce, what is the point of an injunction against someone already in prison or jail?
Something must be so magic about a total number of 30.
John_Adams (anonymous profile)
July 8, 2011 at 10:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I guess 30 does sound like a nice politically rounded figure. They're really doing something now and maybe get certain council members within re-election status.
DonMcDermott (anonymous profile)
July 9, 2011 at 12:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)
You play you pay! Wee, wee wee all the way home! As in quit your crying.
It is hard not to want to "injunction" these low life scum. I wonder how their civil rights would be protected in Franco's Spain or Germany or Russia. People do not realize how good they got it here and how it may be tempting to scream foul play however in all honesty if the shoe fits, wear it.
contactjohn (anonymous profile)
July 9, 2011 at 1:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
In prison or jail today, then out the next and back in the street with their homies. That would be the point of serving an injunction on idiots that are incarcerated, MORON!
rukidding (anonymous profile)
July 9, 2011 at 5:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I'll trade the injunction for the right to carry concealed and protect myself.
JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
July 9, 2011 at 8:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Oh stop it JohnLocke!
You're getting me all hot and bothered with your manliness!
binky (anonymous profile)
July 9, 2011 at 10:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"You're getting me all hot and bothered with your manliness!"
Your manliness is getting me hot and bothered too Binky. Since we're so steamed up, it's time we hit the showers, but before doing so, take a trip back in time with this Irish Spring commercial.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQk-im...
billclausen (anonymous profile)
July 9, 2011 at 9:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
By the way, I have to side with JohnLocke on this one.
billclausen (anonymous profile)
July 9, 2011 at 9:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
We have to stop ruining these kids lives. We would be much better off if law enforcement went after the accepted conservative thuggish gangs at the top who set up corrupt standards and promote ruinous economic, social and environmental policies; trickle-down law enforcement.
DonMcDermott (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2011 at 7:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
As if gang activity ceases when Gangsters are in prison or jail?
that is where the gangs thrive!
Noun 1. injunction - a formal command or admonition
bid, bidding, command, dictation - an authoritative direction or instruction to do something
2. injunction - (law) a judicial remedy issued in order to prohibit a party from doing or continuing to do a certain activity; "injunction were formerly obtained by writ but now by a judicial order"
cease and desist order, enjoining, enjoinment
ban, proscription, prohibition - a decree that prohibits something
mandatory injunction - injunction requiring the performance of some specific act
final injunction, permanent injunction - injunction issued on completion of a trial
interlocutory injunction, temporary injunction - injunction issued during a trial to maintain the status quo or preserve the subject matter of the litigation until the trial is over
law, jurisprudence - the collection of rules imposed by authority; "civilization presupposes respect for the law"; "the great problem for jurisprudence to allow freedom while enforcing order"
JohnMcKnight (anonymous profile)
July 11, 2011 at 6:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"We have to stop ruining these kids lives. We would be much better off if law enforcement went after the accepted conservative thuggish gangs at the top who set up corrupt standards and promote ruinous economic, social and environmental policies; trickle-down law enforcement."????
DonMcDermott: You really have to get off the pipe. These "kids" sell dope, commit robberies, burglaries, assault, rape, murder, you name it. If you think they're in gangs due to some necessity, you're wrong. They LIKE their lifestyle. Talk to any one of these little punks, and they'll tell you that it "beats working for a living". They look at people like you, and just laugh. They'll put on their "poor me" face, and tell their tale of woe about how, "if only I had a community center and just a few more government hand-outs, I could turn my life around, because, you see, I really don't enjoy being in this gang life". And you, you will eat it up like the pablum it is. These little idiot thugs are turning this town into just another gang infested California toilet. We have to stop coddling them. The only way to stop them is to make it as hard as possible to do their "job". Hell. Why don't we just treat them like Santa Barbara treats many local businesses; Make it so difficult to operate here, that they finally give up and leave? Nobody seems to be complaining about that.
waz (anonymous profile)
July 11, 2011 at 8:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I side with JohnLocke as well, 2nd Amendment ftw.
Of course, if you really want to impact gang violence, end the war on drugs. Put them out of business tomorrow.
loonpt (anonymous profile)
July 11, 2011 at 11:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Yeah. I'm sure if they couldn't sell drugs, they would all go get honest jobs. "Well, homies. It looks like the drug thing isn't going to pan out as expected. I guess we'll just have to give up this non-working thug life that we love so much, and go to college or get a job". Yeah right. Gangs are an organized criminal enterprise. They commit ANY crime they have to, to keep their criminal enterprise going. And, they'll resort to whatever violence they deem necessary, to maintain whatever they perceive to be "their territory". These idiots are lazy. Like bugs, they infest environments that are easy for, and conducive to carrying out their activities. An unrelenting crack-down on these thugs is the only way to go. An injunction is a good start. Everyone talks about these 30 guys like they'll be the only idiots covered by the injunction. It's just a foot in the door. Once it's in place, it's easy to amend. Let's start making it hard for these little creeps, and stop being such bleeding heart wussies!
waz (anonymous profile)
July 12, 2011 at 8:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
McD really is a piece of work, isn't he? "conservative thuggish gangs at the top"? What about the "liberal thuggish gangs" under Pelosi before the Left had its head handed to it in the last election? McD isn't really a democrat (small d) at heart. You want to see thuggery, reread Lance's articles on the DUI officer's behavior.
JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
July 12, 2011 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
waz; clearly if you were so brave you would use a real name. But I do understand your fear.
Again I think that most of our problems are the result of systemic corruption. We are all a part of that corruption. These kids aren't born bad. They develop and adjust to their environment. You could adjust your thinking to broaden you scope of what a gang is. The chamber of commerce financial groups are essentially gangs that ripped off the entire country during the last Bush administration and are still exerting influence with the far right wing conservative tea party. What we have now is what follows pseudo conservative policies and administrations. A bunch of angry irrational people scapegoating the victims. It's a repeat. It follows every republican administration, where the 'conservatives' current reside.
DonMcDermott (anonymous profile)
July 12, 2011 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Word is in the Court community that the story of Officer Beutel isn't over, JohnLocke.
Chester_Arthur_Burnett (anonymous profile)
July 12, 2011 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
These vermin terrorize & annoy innocent people, what CAN'T you see Don? Just like they terrorize the innocent, they deserve terrorization to a higher degree, it is ALL they know. I hope the injunction goes through & goes after more of them. I also hope that the right to carry & conceal goes through as well, that w/ an injunction would do wonders on the gang life. In the words of Bernard Goetz: "Here, you don't look so bad..." :) henry
hank (anonymous profile)
July 12, 2011 at 4:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
@hank: "Just like they terrorize the innocent, they deserve terrorization to a higher degree, it is ALL they know."
This "essentialist" crap is just nonsense. Recidivism prevention programs work when they are properly funded and when the personnel are properly trained. We've turned our prison systems in to such a industrial complex that there's more money being spent making sure people stay or return to prison than there is in keeping them out - and with some of the only real recidivism preventions being religious services - 'cause if Jesus wants you to stay out of prison...
The state is cutting public education, cutting public services all the while the (conservative) U.S. Supreme Court has ordered the CA prison system to release 30,000 people. If there isn't enough evidence to show you that the way this problem is being dealt with is entirely incorrect - then you're simply not paying attention.
And I LOVE the fact that when some idiot white guy drives drunk and screams about some "crooked cop", everyone jumps on that bandwagon. But hey, we'll happily turn our backs on the due process when we're certain it can't impact us. Classy.
EatTheRich (anonymous profile)
July 12, 2011 at 11:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Some blame conservatives, others blame liberals. (Yawn)
We have both political parties lying out both sides of their duplicitous mouths when they talk about "coming in the right way" in their efforts to please those who are against illegal immigration whilst they also bellow the timeworn argument that our country would fall apart if it weren't for the exploitation of the illegal immigration market.
First of all, if cheap immigrant labor saves us so much money, (and I find it interesting that those who are pro-illegal immigration never ask themselves if those wealthy people who hire these people actually pass the savings on to us) why do we have to keep coming up with more $$$ to keep their kids out of trouble? Where is the big payoff?
Before I get the usual "Gang members are mainly American-born and raised" argument I will say that this is true, but many of them are children of "recien llegados" (recently arrived) immigrants. When you keep cramming impoverished people into already poor and overcrowded neighborhoods, two things happen: First, with the excess supply of labor, wages stagnate, and second, the psychological effects of overcrowding take place and people start to behave antisocially, it's simply human nature. Add to that the fact that many children of illegal immigrants/undocumented workers grow up in feral environments where Boys/Girls Clubs and the schools are raising these kids devoid of the discipline and structure that only families can provide because after all, their parents are working all day and can't be there for the kids and it should come as no surprise that gang culture is slowly but surely taking over.
Mexico's problems need to be fixed, and the U.S. is a lifeboat sinking under the load of too many refugees. Whether the problem is caused by Mexico's own policies, the U.S.'s policies, or any combination of the two, the fact is conditions are so bad down there that people are willing to risk their lives to get into the U.S. The solution is to make life livable down there and believe that one political party but not the other is to blame is blind faith ideology.
billclausen (anonymous profile)
July 13, 2011 at 6:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"and TO believe that one political party but not the other is to blame is blind faith ideology."
billclausen (anonymous profile)
July 13, 2011 at 6:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
DonMcDermott. Carlos Wazny here. Get off the left and right thing. Also, stop smoking so much weed!
"A bunch of angry irrational people scapegoating the victims. It's a repeat. It follows every republican administration, where the 'conservatives' current reside."????
Really? Oh yeah. I remember right after Carter and Clinton when gang activity was virtually wiped-out. And, I remember before Bush and the Tea Party when gangs didn't exist at all. The fact that you call these nasty little gangsters victims, only tells me that you know absolutely nothing of what these little peckerheads are all about. Talk to some of them some time. Not in your usual agenda driven, panty wearing, linguini spined context, but as two guys; One, a law abiding citizen, the other, a criminal of his own volition. It's eye-opening, even for a person like you. Again, these idiots love people like you. They love you because, while you're running interference for them, making all kinds of excuses for their behavior, they're out doing what they do best; Wreaking havoc, with impunity, on our community.
waz (anonymous profile)
July 13, 2011 at 8:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)
ETR: "This "essentialist" crap is just nonsense. Recidivism prevention programs work when they are properly funded and when the personnel are properly trained."
I agree w/ you, but the problem is this: WE HAVE NO SUCH SUCCESS! Even our new "gang czar" hasn't proven to be anything more than a political ploy receiving a salary.
ETR: "And I LOVE the fact that when some idiot white guy drives drunk and screams about some "crooked cop", everyone jumps on that bandwagon."
If you're referring to that guy blaming the cop for some sort of crooked behavior because he got a DUI, trust me buddy, I AM ON YOUR SIDE! That guy is doing the same thing that bleeding hearts do for gang members (& waz pointed out): RUN INTERFERENCE. He's a putz to the highest degree & deserves to be tried to the fullest extent.
By the way, I'm a Latino (Cuban by birth, in Havana, Cuba), not a "rich White guy" w/ a severe case of White guilt. Also, to add to the "our culture needs to be understood" crowd, as a latino I never had or will I ever have the desire to join a street gang. So much for the liberal created stereotype :) henry (actually enrique)
hank (anonymous profile)
July 13, 2011 at 8:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Someone keeps missing the fact that those "jumping on the bandwagon" are not assuming the officer's guilt but are asking for an independent investigation, while those same someones are assuming the officer's innocence.
JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
July 13, 2011 at 9:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"I agree w/ you, but the problem is this: WE HAVE NO SUCH SUCCESS! Even our new 'gang czar' hasn't proven to be anything more than a political ploy receiving a salary."
May I add that the salary is for $100,000 annually.
@Carlos Wazny, good post, and I like your style of writing (sometimes a good bit of sarcasm is what the True Believers need) but I'm wonder if the gang bangers actually like those who keep apologizing for them, or if they aren't laughing at them. On the other hand, do you think the gang thugs are even aware of anything outside their world?
@DonMcdermott: You're a good guy, you've made many good points over time, and you're right about the fact that these kids were not born this way--a point that I raise by mentioning the overall political structure, but sadly like Binky you're so rabidly anti-conservative that you fail to also see the fault within the so-called "progressive" movement. To make it more clear: The enemy of your enemy isn't always your friend.
While what I'm about to say does not contradict the good posts by Hank, Waz, and others, I need to keep focused on the fact that the problem is national, and as long as the same status quo politicians are elected, our society will keep creating these violent miscreants.
A few decades ago the gang problem was episodic, not systemic, and people need to ask themselves what was different at that time and as the saying goes "reset to default" or in computer terms "system restore".
billclausen (anonymous profile)
July 13, 2011 at 3:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
@JohnLocke: As usual, you entirely miss the point.
I'd bet my left foot that the those "jumping on the bandwagon" doubting the integrity of Officer Beutel would be directing their "doubts" towards an entirely different target if the suspect was a Hispanic service worker who lived off of Milpas.
@hank: "WE HAVE NO SUCH SUCCESS! Even our new "gang czar" hasn't proven to be anything more than a political ploy receiving a salary."
Name me one time in history when a politician got elected on a platform of reducing the prison population - repealing the LUDICROUS three-strikes law, eliminating jail/prison time for non-violent drug offenders, implementing anti-recidivism programs, etc. Hell - you can't even get elected on a platform of restoring public education.
The gang problem isn't going away until the voters in this state pull their heads out of their rears and stop funding prisons and restore funding to educational and public services.
EatTheRich (anonymous profile)
July 13, 2011 at 6:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ah yes. If only the schools were better, gangsters would stop gang banging. It must be their insatiable hunger for knowledge that would draw them back to academia. But, alas. There seems to be a lack of funding for public schools. What ever will we do without ever having learned the absolutely essential skill of putting a condom on a banana? And who, who will teach us about the important role that trangendered individuals play in our society? Field trips to Haley Street to study the real thing would most certainly be off the table. Where will the language teachers come from? You know. The only one's open-minded and brave enough to teach ebonics as a second language? Knock down the prisons, I say! Knock them down, and give them more of that quality public education they've been thirsting for, and the lack of which drove them to a life of crime! No one deserves to be incarcerated. These people are just misunderstood. Think of them as artists. Yeah, artists. Hardly anyone understands artists. It takes a lot of imagination and creativity to kill someone with a zip gun. After all, it's not like you can just go buy one. And, don't forget; more public services. We can never have enough public employees sitting around for twenty or thirty years, waiting for their pensions. It's worth it though, because if ever there were success stories, we need look no further than the stellar examples of the welfare system and child protective services. True inspirations each. Their successes are far too numerous to mention, so I won't.
waz (anonymous profile)
July 14, 2011 at 8:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
ETR: "Name me one time in history when a politician got elected on a platform of reducing the prison population?"
Elected? Maybe not. Appointed (such as the "gang czar? ALL THE TIME!
As for the 3 strikes law, what's the problem? Unless you want to see repeat violent offenders running the streets, or IS that the case?
I will say that in some cases that law has been used in a crazy fashion, but to my recollection it has been amended to prevent it from being used in a wrong way. Still...
I do agree about non-violent offenders though, should be a different type of dealing w/ them that applies.
But w/ that said, gang members are NOT non-violent. Ask George Ied. Oops, wait a minute, he's dead from a beating @ the hands of 4 "non-violent @ risk youth."
In regards to the "public education" thing, good freakin' luck! If you want our "educational system" to suceed, it has to start in the home. If the family of the @ risk youth is comprised of gang affiliated members, what importance in that home will edumacation have? ZERO!
I take it from the "eat the rich" moniker you go by you are anti-white/rich/capitalist. I'm also assuming you're the AWG (Average White Guy). If that's the case, your "White guilt/self-hating White folk" mentality is part of the problem. I hope in your case I'm wrong.
The reason that mentality is part of the problem is that it is WORSE than that of a nazi skinhead.
W/ a nazi skinhead you simply know what you're getting: A hate filled, racist, bigoted, ignorant excuse for a human, straightforward in their views & adamant about it.
W/ the "White guilt/self-hating White folk" you get a message that says the following: "We understand, you're a minority so everything's against you & you'll NEVER have a chance to succeed, so let us lower the bar so you can suceed."
Different people, SAME MESSAGE! Thanks for making us Latinos (as well as Blacks, Asians & any other minority you've claimed to represent) feel inferior, really, I'm glad to have proven that wrong. I must be the anomaly :) henry
hank (anonymous profile)
July 14, 2011 at 2:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
@hank:"I take it from the "eat the rich" moniker you go by you are anti-white/rich/capitalist."
I take from this assumption that you are really bad at making assumptions. I will take other things from the fact that you STILL haven't figured out how to properly format your comments after 820+ postings.
@hank: "Oops, wait a minute, he's dead from a beating @ the hands of 4 "non-violent @ risk youth."
All of the suspects arrested in connection with the murder of George Ied are in their mid-20s. You're now exceeding JohnLocke in the number of ways someone can be wrong about an issue.
@hank: "In regards to the "public education" thing, good freakin' luck! If you want our "educational system" to suceed, it has to start in the home. "
As unintentionally ironic as is this comment, there is some truth to it. So if you have a family in which the parents are working three or four jobs to make ends meet while cutting all kinds of after school programs, you expect a different outcome than what's happening?
Did you see the article in today's Independent that states "42 percent of all Santa Barbara School District students qualify for either free or reduced cost food assistance". Do you think that is a statistic that SB, in all of its opulence, should be proud? Do you see students in a failing educational system, with no parents around, might be attracted to not-so-positive lifestyles?
EatTheRich (anonymous profile)
July 14, 2011 at 6:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Waz, you forgot that we also need "sensitivty" and "diversity" training to promote "tolerance".
As for Hank's comment, yes, as repulsive as they are, skinhead/Nazis at least are easily identifiable whearas those who claim to represent the poor/nonwhites contradict their own arguments. The problem is, I think they really believe their own nonsense.
billclausen (anonymous profile)
July 14, 2011 at 6:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
ETR, sounds to me like my assumption is actually correct in the fact that you have to go on about my formatting comments on a lame message board. I guess it's because I'm a Latino & I need your help. Ayudanos, por favor!
Stop hating yourself & stop considering us Latinos to be weak victims of your imagination.
By the way, my single mom worked 2 jobs to make ends meet, still she found the time, as a single hard working mom, to make sure my homework was done & that I was on the right track. Again, quite the anomaly? :) henry
hank (anonymous profile)
July 14, 2011 at 6:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Bill, see, that's the thing about it all, all these do-gooders that are doing it all wrong. But of course, when the priorities are painting a blue line across the city & banning plastic bags the feel-good crowd thinks they can save us poor non-whites w/ their do-good tactics that don't amount to much.
The thing is when somebody like ETR focuses on my formatting of a comment on a blog you get the picture of the elitist ivory tower approach to all social problems: Coddle & appease.
By the way, just for fits & shiggles, I think I know the answer to the "formatgate" issue: I'm usually typing w/ a pair of doubled latex gloves due to my high tech job's safety requirements as well as paying attention to gathering & analyzing important data from experiments in progress.
Oops, wait, sorry, according to ETR us Latinos aren't supposed to have jobs like that because after all, we're Latinos & can't do good for ourselves. Once again, the anomaly :) henry
hank (anonymous profile)
July 14, 2011 at 7 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hank: I think you are engaging in cruel and unusual punishment. Don't you know how torturous it is to confront people who think they have you all figured out with facts? Then again, maybe I should look on it with tough love.
I sort of know what you're going through; I have academics attack my "racism" because I don't favor bilingual education and then I tell them "debes tener razon, lo que digas tiene que ser la verdad porque las izquierdistas saben todo".
Ah yes, the assumptions people make, and as the nuns used to say "when you assume, you make an ass out of u and me".
billclausen (anonymous profile)
July 15, 2011 at 2:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Hank & Bill. Thanks for the rationality! You're awesome!
Don & ETR. Well...uhh...what can I say? You're...uhh...well...you are what you are.
waz (anonymous profile)
July 15, 2011 at 8:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
And all because I "haven't figured out how to properly format your comments after 820+ postings." on a blog that only a few actually read.
You'd think it was a master's thesis or dissertation we were writing. HAHAHA! Go figure!
There, is that "properly formatted" enough for ya'll? OH DAMN! A Latino said "ya'll"! :) henry
hank (anonymous profile)
July 15, 2011 at 3:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"There, is that "properly formatted" enough for ya'll? OH DAMN! A Latino said "ya'll"! :) henry"
Estimado Enrique/Dearest Hank: Know ye not that we must accede to those with superior cultural and educational backgrounds? Remember the adage: "Where from the government, and we're here to help you".
How can a Cuban immigrant such as your self and I,a D-student who barely made it through high school (and was too dumb to go to college) possibly formulate ideas based on empirical standards? Hopefully, someday Waz, yourself, and I, will wake up and realize these people only want what's best for us.
billclausen (anonymous profile)
July 15, 2011 at 4:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
HAHAHAHA! Yeah, what you said Bill! Made my evening, no help from the nanny state :) henry
hank (anonymous profile)
July 15, 2011 at 5:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
So it's official, we have our own gang, hey Waz, wanna join us?
billclausen (anonymous profile)
July 15, 2011 at 9:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
And don't worry Hank, we'll have our charter printed in Spanish for you to better transition you through the maze of American culture.
billclausen (anonymous profile)
July 15, 2011 at 10:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'd love to join! We racist, sexist, homophobic, troglodytic, closed-minded, preservative eating, gas guzzling, environment ruining, non-reusable plastic grocery bag using, generally non-caring types need to stick together. We need to protect one another from the protection of guys like DonMcDermott and EatTheRich.
We can't help it. We weren't born this way. The likes of DonMcDermott and EatTheRich made us this way. Hey! I know! Maybe they can build a community center for guys like us. You know. To help turn us around. I'm sure it would be very effective. They can call it The DonMcDermott And EatTheRich Center For The Tragically Self-Reliant And Accountable.
In the mean time, I've already come up with a gang sign. It's easy. It only involves one finger, and we all know at whom it would be directed.
waz (anonymous profile)
July 18, 2011 at 8:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)
HAHAHAHA! Count me in. Come to think of it, I flashed that sign this weekend @ somebody :) henry
hank (anonymous profile)
July 18, 2011 at 5:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It's all coming together! HAHAHAHA! The genesis of yet another Santa Barabara gang. I wonder what special social and economic programs DonMcDermott and EatTheRich will have for us to help abate our impending reign of terror? One finger up, homies!
waz (anonymous profile)
July 19, 2011 at 7:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Isn't 1 of the requirements for this gang improper formatting of blog posts in the Indy? :) henry
hank (anonymous profile)
July 19, 2011 at 7:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)
We're starting a new paradigm vis-a-vis gang formulation. First, we will NOT post video of our illegal activity on YouTube, i.e., videos showing fights, caches of weapons, drugs, wads of cash, and any other inculpatory evidence. Second, we'll continue to dress like normal human beings, actually concealing the fact that we're involved in a criminal enterprise, while at the same time, concealing our underwear. Finally, we'll use words like "paradigm", "vis-a-vis" and "inculpatory".
waz (anonymous profile)
July 20, 2011 at 7:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I like it! WAIT A MINUTE! You mean we have to "act" as responsible, hard working, law abiding, accountable, respectable citizens? I like it even better! How/when do I get jumped in? ONE FINGER UP! :) henry
hank (anonymous profile)
July 20, 2011 at 7:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
If you graduated from a PUBLIC high school, and despite that experience, were still able to go on to college, that should do as a good substitute for being jumped in. That is a crappy enough experience for anyone to endure. In the event that the afore mentioned pre-requisite has not been met, we'll just hold a simple champagne reception at The University Club to welcome all new members. Business casual is encouraged. Please, leave your bandanas, long shorts, wife beaters, white t-shirts, and any other article of clothing that makes you look like an idiot, and identifies you as a gang banger, home.
waz (anonymous profile)
July 21, 2011 at 7:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
hank (anonymous profile)
July 21, 2011 at 10:59 a.m.
Look out, here come the troglydites!
billclausen (anonymous profile)
July 24, 2011 at 6:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlRXQE...
billclausen (anonymous profile)
July 24, 2011 at 6:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Um, uhg...
waz (anonymous profile)
July 25, 2011 at 7:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Hank? Did you say something insensitive? Shame on you!
waz (anonymous profile)
July 25, 2011 at 7:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Waz: "Hank? Did you say something insensitive?"
Yes, I used the term "ya'll" when I wasn't supposed to. Then again, it might've been my improper formatting techniques :) henry
hank (anonymous profile)
July 25, 2011 at 9:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"WAZup man?" "Ah got me a HANKerining for some troglidytes"
Note: I'm only using *some* caps.
billclausen (anonymous profile)
July 25, 2011 at 6:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
iT mUSt bE tHe coNSerVatiVEs...
waz (anonymous profile)
July 26, 2011 at 7:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
1 fInGeR uP! :) enrique
hank (anonymous profile)
July 26, 2011 at 9:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)