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Posted on June 4 at 10:39 p.m.

Granted, I'm just another joe with an opinion, but opposing this project seems petty.

How much is life worth? Even a severely troubled life? Is the money, an impaired view, or the environmental impact worth more? I'm not positively sure, but it doesn't seem like it could be.

On Friends of the Bridge Continue Their Fight

Posted on May 14 at 11:02 p.m.

Hey David,

Is the passion that you say that Carp lacks similar that which I encountered with some SB students a while back?

Do you remember the student walk out in protest of anti-immigrant legislation? I was on State Street that day. As I walked to lunch I asked a Latina youth why all the students were out, pretending that I didn't know. She told me that she didn't know, but that it was to support something that her friend told her about, which was a good thing to support. Nice. She was only one kid - a follower. It doesn't make the whole student body less passionate.

Too bad you didn't have more passion about your own school - it's a great school! But you have passion now - to write about an issue occurring in a town that you don't claim to have ever lived in, about a complaint lodged by people that you don't even claim to know, involving a prideful town history that you clearly aren't aware of.

Did you know that the entire student body at Carp High walked out the day after the CUSD board vote and marched on the superintendent's office? Did you also know that there were approximately 1,000 attendees at last Tuesday's school board meeting which drew out to five hours due to all of the public comment?

But you say they have no passion. You also knock them for being fired up about non-issues, but not about more important things. How would you know how fired up people are about other issues? For the kids, this IS an important issue which is tangible to them. Good for them! Some will probably even overstate their points, and learn something about being more knowledgable about issues that they take stands on. Sounds good to me.

As this has unfolded, there is more of an issue than what I had originally thought, but any new realizations haven't come as result of input from condescending people such as yourself, or the hasty and emotional action taken by the school board. Instead, it has been due to the repeated, on-point, factually supported, yet heartfelt and respectful complaints being voiced by only a few rational folks (very few), including Elias himself, in spite of too much input such as yours.

On Warrior's Cry

Posted on May 14 at 9:53 p.m.

Barney,

Support for the Carpinteria Warrior Imagery Ban is growing? In fairness, you wrote this before Tuesday's board meeting.

What you may not have realized when you wrote this was that while support for the ban may have grown, support for retaining the imagery grew more, and grew faster. But it figures - the defenders are Warriors, after all.

I don't know where you stand on the issue. For me, it's not crystal clear either way. I'm slow to jump into change that I don't fully understand, but also would want to refrain form objectifying people since the wiser I become, the more I realize how much I don't know. What is clear is that the sanctimonious attitude of Salm, the misguided best intentions of the naive and immature Deardorff, and that absolutely out-of-touch mutterings of Grant have instigated unrest in the quiet town of Carpinteria.

While it was within their power to exercise more moderation, in line with what they were urged to do, they acted hastily, lacking the wisdom to make a better decision that would have better served their consituents on all sides of the issue.

But that's not what they did. Instead they ignited rage on both sides of the issue which resulted in death threats of the native american youth that submitted the original request, and caused some native Americans to lash out, connecting this event to the mass murders of the past and the ongoing "occupation."

So for me, as this continues to unfold my understanding of the actual issue and empathy for the people who support the original complaint has grown, my discontent for the irresponsible behavior of the three board members has grown more. With their action, and subsequent stubbornness, they have impaired support for the decision that they made so hastily and wrecklessly.

I was at Tuesday's board meeting. From what I saw, the board has caused the defenders of the imagery to dig their heels in for a fight. And they came out the woodwork for this meeting - approximately 1,000 in attendance of a Carpinteria school board meeting. Wow!

Unfortunately, Carpinteria is a SMALL town. After being recalled (is there any doubt?), they're going to be about as popular as Jane Fonda was, following the Vietnam War. I feel badly for them.

On Up Against the Backlash

Posted on May 4 at 8:26 p.m.

You make some good points.

Common courtesy and mutual respect goes a long way. Personally, I favor biking over hiking, and I don't always get out there for a deep reconnection to nature. But everyone who's out there has a right to be out there, so I try to be courteous to everyone. Courteous or not, I guess the sound of chain-slap coming down the hill isn't exactly a "sound of nature."

I don't like the possibility of being penalized for someone else's bad manners, but I see your points.

On Why Mountain Bikes Need Regulating

Posted on May 3 at 1:20 p.m.

Ms Wahine,

According to a commnet on a post at http://www.recallcusd.org/, the local tribal leaders aren't commenting. Fact or fiction? I don't know.

Hopefully those girls that you heard will become more empathetic and more passionate about global issues as they mature and their global awareness broadens.

On No Dogs Need Apply

Posted on May 3 at 8:38 a.m.

I've heard that there have been threats, which is really bad. Whoever made threats were only a few, if not just one, were obviously emotional beyond self control, clearly not stable. However, you lump them in with the "opposition," for lack of a better word. Are you stereotyping? It sure seems like you are.

"...by the ancestors of those who nearly annihilated and continually marginalizes my people." Who's ancestors were they? Mine? Not as far as I know. You offered this as a prejudicial stereotype as well. This one was worse though - it's a provocation.

It's probable that some Carpinterians' ancestry includes who you are talking about. It's also likely that are a few in Carpinteria who marginalize other peoples' ethinicities. The worst of those folks would pick out anything different about us to marginalize - me, you, anyone. These social flaws aren't unique to Carp.

Don't you think that non-indigenous Americans in the area are aware of past atrocities, and have empathy. Don't you think that those from families who participated in the killing probably have remorse as well. Or, have you "conveniently discarded" these ideas?

Should the issue be about any of this, or about how Elias and the others find the Warrior theme offensive and how a community doesn't see it, including older (wiser?) Chumash people in the community? What does the Chief have to say about any of this?

There were "good" people who brought up the issue. There are presently "good" people trying to understand, and are willing to listen. There were the "good" ones who ignited the passion of a community and caused public backlash and caused Elias et al to become defensive and to escalate. Escalation on both sides has caused the tolerance train to pull out of the station.

Then you close with an insinuation that the opposition is due to choosing mascots over people, trying to tie it to your ambiguous use of the word "good."

Honestly, was it a good idea to begin by dredging up a painful past? Is it dignified (there's a word to add to the list of what makes a good person) to insinuate that those who don't share your view are conveniently discarding what makes them good?

With all of this, you assert that ALL Carpinterians, as a single people, should be ashamed. No. Shame on you for masking your intolerance and bigotry. How is it "moral" to sterotype? You've presented yourself as being as bigoted as any bigot that's spoken up so far. The only difference is that you've smoothed out the language to try to hide what you've done. How much "integrity" have you shown in doing that?

You haven't even touched on "tolerance," but it's easy to see why.

On A Warrior by Any Other Icon

Posted on May 2 at 8:21 a.m.

Oh yeah - and the Crusaders (of the infamous Crusades). Another single group of folks who did bad things - duh!

It's the same reason why there aren't teams with the names "ss" or "third reich" either - although you could probably find enough haters out there to want to form one.

As far as I know, there are no Huns either.

The point is that this is not how the imagery or anything else associated with the Carpinteria Warriors is portrayed or regarded.

C'mon people! Arrrggghhhhhhh!

On No Dogs Need Apply

Posted on May 2 at 8:15 a.m.

Poodle: Great article!

Others:
Insensitive? Bigoted? Racist? Wow! Really?

How about the idea that Elias (who's complaint is the genesis of this issue) is a "teenager." Do you remember being a teenager? It's a time in life when we try to establish our identities, and indenpendence. We've gained enough knowledge to be able to survive, and have grown enough so that we're able. We commonly gain a false sense of confidence in our own thoughts (We knew everything - remember?). However, our minds are young, and our experience and comprehension. To complicate it more, the ability to delineate emotional thought from rational thought isn't fully developed yet (this has been proven). Often, convinced that we're right, and trying to forge our indenpendence, we try to manipulate our world to come in line with our vision (manipulation), running off half-informed to make it happen. To top it all off, kids can be so mean. Amidst all of the other things going on at that phase of life, the mean kids are chipping away at one's identity, and ultimately one's self-esteem.

I'm not saying that Elias was wrong - he feels the way he feels for whatever the reasons are. Do any of you remember being fired up on an issue as a teeneager, only to reflect back and realize that your own emotion was the only thing making it an issue? How many of us still do this as adults? While Elias isn't "wrong" for his feelings, the 3 CUSD board members are wrong for a carrying out a public knee-jerk reaction to the emotional input of a teenager. The issue has been blown out of proportion by 3 people who are obviously unaware of how to avoid proceeding in a manner that will turn mole hills into mountains - parents, yet unable to separate teen angst from reality.

Carpinteria Warriors comparable to Conquistadors? The Conquistadors were one group of people, notoriously brutal, for the sake of colonizing foriegn land. Warriors, on the other hand, in the general sense that it is being used by Carpinteria, is not about the same brutality. Many who were "warriors" fought in defense of their land, their values, the preservation of their people - honorable, enduring, persevering. Carpinteria Warriors are associated with only the honorable connotations of the term. Maybe if Elias understood that, there would be no issue. The funny thing is that he's right there in the middle of it, and doesn't seem to get it. Is it a surprise? Not to me. He's a teenager.

How could it have been better? More discussion should have happened before the CUSD board polarized a community. Through wider and continued (proper) communication, maybe there's more to the issue that the community doesn't understand. Unfortunately, the CUSD board has severly impaired the ability for proper communication to occur, and therefore for Elias and his supporters to have the ability to share their points with an unbiased wider audience.

On No Dogs Need Apply

Posted on April 29 at 8:06 a.m.

Tolerance, no matter what the cost, is the talk of fools. Sure, we should be as tolerant as we can possibly be until being tolerant becomes absurd. Where's the line? I don't know, but CUSD crossed it.

The whole "Warrior" idea doesn't tie directly to the Chumash tribe. They weren't warriors, but peaceful fishermen and hunter-gatherers. It seems that today's laid-back SB-area mindset goes back to their day as well. As near as we can tell, the imagery isn't connected to any single tribe. It supports the warrior sports ideal to fight with intensity and the determination to win, which is loosely tied to the country's Native American history.

The Vikings were also a tough crowd, brutal in fact. How many high school's use the Viking name and imagery? The associated imagery is specific to nothern scandinavians. However, the imagery merely supports the same ideas in sports that the Warrior imagery supports. With all of this said, I've never heard of any overly senstitive scandinavians making the same complaints as Elias and his family. Why is that?

StreetFighter, I sort of like the name the "Fighting Latinos," but I don't think that they'd have it, vato.

Esparza, if you can't apply Franklin's words here, do you have the ability of abstract thought at all? Y'know, aside from opposing thumbs, it's another big thing that makes our species unique.

Do any nay-sayers of you live in Carp? Were any of you Warriors?

On Warrior's Cry

Posted on April 27 at 10:23 p.m.

In response to FirstDistrictStreetfighter:

You throw inflammatory words around pretty well. However, you use them out of context in order to try to make an irrational point. I suggest that you try again, but think it through more thoroughly first.

"Homogenous" isn't an imflammatory word, but choosing to use it to describe Carpinterians begs this question: Have you never been to Carpinteria or are you just ignorant? Carpinteria is a multi-cultural, mulit-ethnic, multi-socioeconomic small city. A majority has risen lately to challenge the recent atrocity that was just voted in by the CUSD board - as any thinking society should.

Ben Franklin, a framer of the Constitution once said, "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."

So a school district would give in to the misplaced discontentment of a few people, aggravate others who from the same ethnicity who have the opposite view in addition to the masses, and bury the tradition of a community to avoid hurt feelings and an implied lawsuit? BS! This will only open the door for more whiners with more flimsy thin-skinned complaints to take away more liberties.

If you haven't noticed, this era of hyper-tolerance is already taking us down the path that Franklin warned.

On Warrior's Cry

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