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Posted on June 21 at 5:14 p.m.
tourist -- Of course I said that it's no big deal that someone shot up a kid's birthday party -- WOW! -- oh wait, I didn't say that.
You reached for a ridiculous excuse to bash Obama, and no, it isn't me alone who considers an avowed racist murdering 9 Blacks in a historic church in Charleston, formerly a key slave depot and a city where the confederate flag is still proudly waved, like an event of special significance. Why, even some Republicans seem to agree.
If you want to be taken seriously, say something that can be taken seriously.
On Gun Control and Racism
Posted on June 21 at 2:14 p.m.
What partisan nonsense is that supposed to prove? That because he commented on a case of national significance, it's hypocritical of Obama not to comment on every one of the 1000 or so murders every month in the US?
Posted on June 21 at 1:05 p.m.
Botany, you ignored the list I gave of press coverage about the additional violence in Baltimore.
Thanks for the quick proof of my prediction, "Of course, it fits a particular agenda to claim that the media are ignoring this, so the fact that they aren't probably won't make much difference."
Posted on June 21 at 10:06 a.m.
nativegeo, you are confused. Since I prefaced that part of my comment, "As for the issue raised by the letter," and went on to discuss the media, I clearly wasn't addressing you. There are other people besides you in the world, and one of them actually did try to deal with the topic, including the role of the media, and brought up the coverage of events in Baltimore.
On the other hand, as if to prove that I was correct in what I did write, in relation to your constant evasion of responsibility for what you say as you careen from comment to comment, you seem unable to give it a rest, and now toss out a remark on my supposed reliance on Brian Williams to interpret events for me, which I suppose you intend to be another of your clever insults, but actually is just one more item for the list of irrelevant nonsense you apparently can't stop adding to.
Posted on June 20 at 7:58 p.m.
Just curious, nativegeo: I challenged you on a number of areas on which I thought you were making no sense, and for which you seem to have given up even trying to come up with new excuses or evasions -- -- How does that translate into my getting you kicked off the INDY or censoring the truth? Again, and probably not for the last time -- what on earth are you talking about?
As for the issue raised by the letter --The media have no broader agenda than to focus on the most immediate and dramatic crisis of the moment in order to drive attention and attract advertising dollars. Welcome to the free market, journalism style.
In addition, people who make claims about what the media are or aren't reporting need to do a bit more reading rather than ideological wishful thinking. A 5-min search via Google on the increase in Baltimore's crime rate turned up reports by Time, CNN, the NY Times, the Huffington Post, Newsweek, the BBC, the Atlantic, USA Today, Mother Jones, etc. Of course, it fits a particular agenda to claim that the media are ignoring this, so the fact that they aren't probably won't make much difference.
Of course more attention should be paid to all sorts of violence and their causes, whether it be gun or race related or not. Yet none of this diminishes the fact that this week's murders really do illuminate a serious problem of on-going racism and easy access to guns in this country, and it's dishonest to claim that because the media supposedly don't highlight other issues, this one can be set aside as being not very significant.
Posted on June 20 at 2:41 p.m.
I don't write about Obama's supposed transgressions.Why should I be expected to? And exactly what does that prove? That I'm not nonpartisan? When did I claim that I was?
Posts by "regular progressive bloggers" (I assume you mean commenters) have shown what you claim is a "surge in bipartisan rhetoric." How about quoting some to show that this "newest liberal code word" is being used to acknowledge that they now believe "that Obama was a huge mistake."
You accused me of being a "public servant" (what is that charge even supposed to be about?) who, like everyone else (except you and Ben Carson?) votes with my pocket book, just like the other "public trough feeders." On the basis of what evidence do you feel confident to think I'll be insulted by such an off-base and ridiculous charge? Because I have a different view of politics than yours?
Of course you're entitled to the perception that a week in which a racist gunned down 9 people in church was a good one for Obama because the significance of that event pales in comparison to a congressional maneuver that might lead to trade bill he can sign.
And the rest of us are entitled to a perception of what all of this says about you.
Posted on June 20 at 1:01 p.m.
Your every new comment just adds another layer to your attempts to evade responsibility for what you say in your previous comments.
Why did you post about Obama's "good week" in response to a letter about racist murders and gun control?
How is it "apologizing" to point out that all politicians are polarizing figures (except, you seem to think, Ben Carson).
What were "anything less from a public servant" and voting with "our pocket book" supposed to mean?
What recent "progressive 'bipartisan' trend" are you talking about?
Who is using the word "bipartisan" as the "newest liberal code word" to acknowledge that they now believe "that Obama was a huge mistake"?
I wasn't asking you to be "bipartisan" because I pointed out that your attacks on Obama are reflexively partisan. Be as partisan as you like -- but at least be aware of how ridiculous it is to claim that Obama is divisive (why? because he arouses opposition, unlike other politicians?) but Ben Carson isn't.
Posted on June 20 at 11:50 a.m.
Apologizing? All I did was point out that all political figures stir up opposition and that it's blind partisan nonsense for you to bleat as if "Barry" should be singled out for this, as opposed to everyone else who is or has been involved in politics or government.
The added note about your not expecting "anything less from a public servant" is rather mysterious, as is the comment about voting with "our pocket books." Perhaps you could explain what you mean.
Of course, you haven't bothered to explain why we should believe that your comment to a letter headlined Gun Control and Racism was intended to have nothing to do with either and that your statement about Obama was anything other than a reflexive result of partisan derangement.
Posted on June 20 at 11:14 a.m.
nativeg. The letter was about racist murders, so it seemed reasonable to think that your comment had some relation to the topic. If you didn't intend it to, why on earth did you post it here?
As for Obama's "balkanizing," as I said, you apparently mean that he has views and takes actions that other people disagree with, unlike ... Republicans, as well as every other political figure who ever lived?
Posted on June 20 at 9:22 a.m.
Diana, Don -- a Thorn by any other name ...